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[06:04] PeterYim: Welcome to the

 = OntologySummit2014 Symposium (Day-2) 29-Apr-2014 = 
 
This is the finale of the 4 months of OntologySummit2014 activities - a 2-day workshop and symposium in the Metropolitan Washington, DC Area 
hosted by NCO_NITRD. The event is being held at the NSF Board Room. 

Session details: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2014_Symposium 
Dial-in details: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2014/WorkshopRegistration#nid484Y 
Agenda: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2014_Symposium#nid4839 
 
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 == proceedings: == 
 
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[05:19] anonymous1 morphed into VictorChernov

[05:39] anonymous morphed into NSFHost (chat managed by SteveRay)

[05:49] anonymous morphed into pfps (aka Peter F. Patel-Schneider)

[05:50] anonymous1 morphed into Shawn Johnson

[05:52] anonymous morphed into Christof Hasse

[05:58] NSFHost: We're just setting up the audio now

[06:07] pfps (aka Peter F. Patel-Schneider): are slides up on the vnc session

[06:07] NSFHost: == Keynote 3: Mr. DanielKaufman, Director Information Innovation Office, DARPA ==

[06:07] DanCorbett: Is there any access to his slides?

[06:10] PeterYim: re slides, only available via vnc - http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2014/WorkshopRegistration#nid4D7I

[06:09] anonymous morphed into SundayOjo

[06:10] anonymous morphed into Jesse Wang

[06:13] ChristiKapp: are slides behind his talk?

[06:13] pfps (aka Peter F. Patel-Schneider): someone needs to mute

[06:14] ChristiKapp: I still the "the future is already here" slide

[06:14] PeterYim: tx

[06:15] MichaelRiben: no way except with shared screen to see the slides?

[06:15] NSFHost: Afraid that's it.

[06:21] ChristiKapp: Is VNC still up?

[06:22] PeterYim1: I think so

[06:23] DanCorbett: I can't access vnc at all.

[06:23] PeterYim1: if you are behind firewalls, you will have to go by audio only (for now)

[06:25] ChristiKapp: The flash crash and algorithmic trading get me thinking about the ethical use of technology

[06:29] David Blevins: Amusingly, Rap Genius doesn't only annotate rap lyrics

[06:29] MichaelRiben: getting a "handshaking with remote host " mesage but not connecting to VNC? is this becuase I am behind my org firewall?

[06:32] PeterYim1: try this: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?VirtualSpeakerSessionTips#nidBMA

[06:47] Gary Berg-Cross: Some of these points on human-computer interactions remind me of earlier AI discussions and the Associate Systems effort that DARPA sponsored in the late 80s.
 
[06:52] pfps (aka Peter F. Patel-Schneider): If you use any program long enough it will give you a stupid result.

[06:53] pfps (aka Peter F. Patel-Schneider): ... and the time to get to the first stupid result is inversely proportional to how much the program cost.

[07:06] CoreyLeong: an interesting read on darpa: http://www.amazon.com/Department-Mad-Scientists-Michael-Belfiore-ebook/dp/B002R2OFGE/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1398780107&sr=1-1&keywords=darpa

[07:07] Gary Berg-Cross: If you mine big data long enough it will also give you a "stupid" finding...but the ration of smart/stupid is important as well as whether you take it as a finding or advice or something else like an hypothesis.

[07:09] Gary Berg-Cross: Everybody know that semantic interoperability is a problem....

[07:11] Gary Berg-Cross: One of the slides might ask "Are we making progress on Big Data with current metadata and tagging approaches?"

[07:13] NSFHost: == Presentation of the OntologySummit2014_Communique ==

[07:14] Mark Underwood: I'm working on how to fit five slides into a quad chart

[07:17] SteveRay: Clearly we will be moving to a quint chart

[07:23] Stephane Fellah: Where can we find the communique draft ?

[07:24] PeterYim1: see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2014_Communique

[07:26] SteveRay: ...or the pretty pdf version at http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntologySummit2014/OntologySummit2014_Communique/OntologySummit2014_Communique_v0-9-0_20140425-1100.pdf

[07:26] Stephane Fellah: Thanks

[07:29] anonymous morphed into Mohsen Doroodchi

[07:33] pfps (aka Peter F. Patel-Schneider): Quad charts are for proposals, not program pitches, I think.

[07:39] Gary Berg-Cross: Link to further comments is http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2014_Communique/CommentsSuggestions

[07:41] Mark Underwood: @PFPS Kill joy.

[07:43] Gary Berg-Cross: @pfps [10:33] An inconvenient truth? :-)

[07:48] PeterYim1: version 1.0.0 of the OntologySummit2014_Communique was formally adopted by the participants at the OntologySummit2014_Symposium
 (Arlington, Virginia, USA) 29-Apr-2014-10:45 am) - OntologySummit2014_Communique_v1-0-0_20140429-1045.pdf will be made available for download please confirm your endorsement below (note that the endorsement is done by you as an individual, and not as a representative of the organization(s) you are affiliated with) .
 
[07:52] ChristiKapp: ChristiKapp

[08:15] QuentinReul: Based on this morning keynote, I believe that there is an interesting application of ontologies to DARPA

[08:16] QuentinReul: More specifically, ontologies could be used to facilitate 2-way communications between human and machine

[08:22] NSFHost: == Hackathon Project Reports (Co-champions): AnatolyLevenchuk, DanBrickley (KenBaclawski, Advisor) ==

[08:27] NSFHost: == Reference data for Anime and Manga: Semantic Linking and Publishing of Diverse Data-Sets (Team lead: VictorAgroskin) ==

[08:38] anonymous morphed into LilianaIbethBarbosaSantillan

[08:40] NSFHost: == Ontology Design Patterns and Semantic Abstractions in Ontology Integration (Team lead: MikeBennett) ==

[08:53] NSFHost: == Optimized SPARQL performance management via native API (Team lead: VictorChernov) ==

[08:54] Gary Berg-Cross: For info on the semantic trajectory pattern see http://geog.ucsb.edu/~jano/semantic_trajectories.pdf This pattern was
 developed at a VoCamp.

[08:54] NSFHost: Victor, if you are speaking we cannot hear you.

[08:54] NSFHost: Try again?

[08:56] QuentinReul: @MikeBennett1/@Gary Berg-Cross: where can I find info about the event pattern?

[08:56] Mark Underwood: BoF? Inviting collaborators & naysayers to opine on possible use of ontology for Big Data standards activities. Onto
 engineering too immature for stds? Maybe just simple best practices lists with meaningful use cases. NIST Big Data Public Working Group http://1.usa.gov/16kosCL ISO/IEC JTC 1 Study Group on Big Data (SGBD) http://1.usa.gov/1fVTodH Remote lurkers: reach me at @knowlengr

[08:58] Gary Berg-Cross: For event see Pascal Hitzler's presentation in Track A ProfessorPascalHitzler(Wright State U) -"Towards ontology patterns
 for ocean science repository integration"

[08:59] Gary Berg-Cross: @Quentin We have use the Simple event model (SEM) for some of our work.

[09:01] Gary Berg-Cross: @Quentin a copy of SEM work is at http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1570826811000199

[09:03] MikeBennett1: @Quentin The Event ODP it described in the presentation at http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntologySummit2014/2014-01-23_OntologySummit2014_Common-Reusable-Semantic-Content-1/OntologySummit2014-s02_Towards-ontology-patterns-for-ocean-science-repository-integration--PascalHitzler_20140123.pdf

[09:03] MikeBennett1: The event ontology itself is at http://purl.org/NET/c4dm/event.owl

[09:06] MikeBennett1: The ontologies developed during the Reuse Hackathon are posted on GitHub at https://github.com/MikeHypercube/RiskHackathon

[09:06] NSFHost: == Ontohub Consolidation (Team lead: TillMossakowski, OliverKutz) ==

[09:07] TimFinin: Till are you on the call?

[09:07] NSFHost: We cannot hear either Till or Oliver. Have you called in?

[09:08] NSFHost: We will move on to the next presentation for now.

[09:08] TillMossakowski: sorry, I will just call in.

[09:09] Mark Underwood: (From a dinner conversation last night) Wordpress semantic web plugins https://wordpress.org/plugins/tags/semantic-web

[09:09] NSFHost: == An ontological catalog of ontology and metadata vocabulary characteristics relevant to suitability for semantic web and big data applications (a.k.a. VOCREF: Vocabulary and Ontology Characteristics Relevant to Evaluation of Fitness) (Team lead: AmandaVizedom) ==

[09:09] NSFHost: @Till: We will return to your presentation immediately following Amanda's presentation.

[09:10] TillMossakowski: OK, thanks

[09:19] RaviSharma: hello Peter and Amanda

[09:19] RaviSharma: Ravi from Jaipur india

[09:19] RaviSharma: remote

[09:20] anonymous morphed into Christof Hasse

[09:24] NSFHost: == Ontohub Consolidation (Team lead: TillMossakowski, OliverKutz) Take 2 ==

[09:24] ChristophLange: @AmandaVizedom: fitness of ontologies seems related to "data quality" to me. 
FYI we are currently working on a vocabulary about data quality 
(
paper: http://events.linkeddata.org/ldow2014/papers/ldow2014_paper_09.pdf , 
slides: http://events.linkeddata.org/ldow2014/slides/ldow2014_slides_09.pdf , 
source: https://github.com/diachron/quality/tree/master/src/main/resources/vocabularies 
)

[09:24] TerryLongstreth: @amanda - please give a URL or mechanism for new contributors to get involved in Vocref.

[09:27] ChristophLange: @AmandaVizedom: I'd like to get an overview of VOCREF in Protege. How can I view the whole ontology at once? Loading vocref-bottom.owl asks me to resolve "vocref top", which doesn't work even if I point Protege to that file in the sibling directory.

[09:27] RaviSharma: Peter or any one else, request URL for communique to endorse!

[09:28] NSFHost: @Ravi: Can you see the earlier portion of the chat? The link is there.

[09:28] AmandaVizedom1: @TerryLongstreth: Here's the URL: https://github.com/vocref/vocref. To get started, just make yourself a Fork (button at top right) of the repository. You will need a GitHub account, but that's it.

[09:28] PeterYim: @Till, slide#2 typo "SOCoP" (please send update slide deck so I can swap in for archival purposes)

[09:28] RaviSharma: yes thanks

[09:30] AmandaVizedom1: @ChristophLange, definitely related. In fact, one (of many) things I didn't get to mention is that some of the relevant characteristics involve treating the ontologies/vocabularies as data. For example, if I want to use a V/O for linked open data, it might very well matter to me whether that V/O itself meets the standards for 5-star open data.

[09:30] PeterYim: @Ravi & All - just say: "I endorse the OntologySummit2014 Communique" here, and someone will capture that into the endorsers' roster

[09:31] ChristiKapp: @MarkUnderwood - Could you summarize the dinner conversation about the WordPress plugins?

[09:31] Mark Underwood: I endorse the OntologySummit2014 Communique

[09:33] RaviSharma: "I endorse the OntologySummit2014 Communique" Ravi Sharma

[09:33] Mark Underwood: @ChristiKapp the Q was what linked data initiatives were available for other CMS's, e.g., Wordpress (the most widely used 
CMS). I'm aware of Drupal initiatives too . ..

[09:33] ChristophLange: I endorse the OntologySummit2014 Communique

[09:33] ElizabethFlorescu: I endorse the OntologySummit2014 Communique

[09:34] CoreyLeong: I endorse the OntologySummit2014 Communique

[09:35] AmandaVizedom1: ChristophLange [12:27] ... thanks for mentioning that, that's another important thing I didn't get to. VOCREF is not yet 
properly hosted, so the listed URLs for resources won't resolve to reachable artifacts yet (Open to-do item). On the other hand, vocref-top not resolving even when pointed to the file (downloaded, I assume) would be a bug, something wrong or incomplete in the current ontology code. Would you like to report that via the issue store in the repository? If not I will report that for you.

[09:35] AndreaWesterinen: I endorse the Summit 2014 Communique

[09:35] ChristiKapp: I endorse the OntologySummit2014 Communique

[09:35] ChristiKapp: @MarkUnderwood thank you

[09:36] AnatolyLevenchuk: I endorse the OntologySummit2014 Communique

[09:37] BobbinTeegarden: I endorse the OntologySummit2014 Communique

[09:38] NSFHost: == Semantic Annotation of the Ontolog Community Environment (SAOCE) (Team lead: KenBaclawski) ==

[09:50] QuentinReul: @KenBaclawski: Are you going to represent documents semantically? If so, is tge vocabulary included in SMW? Or will an ontology be created?

[09:50] ChristophLange: @AmandaVizedom [12:34]: Turns out that I was finally able to load the VOCREF bottom ontology and have the imports resolved. I had a problem with my Protege installation.

[09:53] AmandaVizedom1: @ChristophLange [12:50]: Phew! ;-)

[09:53] NSFHost: We are on break until 2pm Eastern US time

[09:57] KenBaclawski: @QuentinReul: I have software for mapping an ontology to SMW. It simulates namespaces with prefixes. The ICOM ontology is one example of an ontology that has already been mapped to SMW. Documents can be represented in many different formats. RDF and OWL are already supported. We are working on natural language representations among others.

[11:08] NSFHost: == Panel: Big Data and Semantic Web Meet Applied Ontology: The Future - Co-chairs: MichaelGruninger & LeoObrst ==

[11:20] AndreaWesterinen: My reference to competency queries was to include it (and competency questions) as metadata for "shared, reusable" ontologies.

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[11:36] Mark Underwood2: I was researching Carol's work & wasn't aware of this http://www.w3.org/community/openannotation/

[11:39] RaviSharma: have we started yet

[11:39] NSFHost: Yes, at timestamp 14:08 we began. Are you having trouble hearing?

[11:41] RaviSharma: I have to dial in I am remote

[11:43] RaviSharma: It is midnight and I am signing off I have already endorsed the Communique from India as I am on travel. Thanks. Ravi

[11:46] Gary Berg-Cross: NIST Evaluation Working Group's 1 telecon will be 2-3pm EDT on Wednesday, April 30th. They will use the GoToMeeting platform to host audio and visual for the meeting. https://global.gotomeeting.com/meeting/join/943846181

[12:11] David Blevins: BLS also makes it fairly difficult to gain access to granular data sets used to calculate cost of living before the year 1990

[12:16] Gary Berg-Cross: One approach to these varied defs that Frank is talking about is G??rdenfors who proposed using geometric structures called conceptual spaces to represent concepts. . G??rdenfors, How to Make the Semantic Web More Semantic, in Formal Ontology in Information Systems, Pro- ceedings of the Third International Conference (FOIS 2004). Frontiers in Articial Intelligence and Applications, A. Varzi and L. Vieu, Eds., vol. 114, pp. 153164. Amsterdam: IOS Press, 2004.

[12:17] AmandaVizedom: Very Important Point: In many cases, there are multiple standards for measuring something (and thus multiple meanings for data fields bearing a particular label, for example) because different measurement techniques are appropriate for different purposes. So, the right answer is *not* to attempt to force everyone to use the same measurement techniques (or to mandate that fields with that label always have one of these multiple meanings). Even if you *could* get compliance, you would lose: activities that use the non-selected measurements would be at least hindered. Making explicit the meanings of the data fields is far, far preferable.

[12:20] AndreaWesterinen: @Amanda [15:17] You can do something similar even with the vocabularies, although this is more difficult. You need to understand the context of the vocabulary and the "local definition" to understand how to merge the data. If you can track the context/community, then you can start to resolve the issue of "my word is not equal to your word". I have done some of this in the past using named graphs for the communities.

[12:22] AndreaWesterinen: Even worse, I have found that when you force one set of terms, people make mistakes because it is not natural for them.

[12:22] AmandaVizedom: @Andrea [15:20] +1 Local meaning is very important for cross-context interoperability. And not only according to what NL is spoken.

[12:23] David Blevins: There was a discussion during the break related to the utility of context in ontology use and data analysis. Named graphs can be useful in applying the appropriate context over a domain of knowledge, but what support exists for other types of context. For example, definitions can change over time - how do we apply both domain knowledge context as well as temporal context?

[12:24] AmandaVizedom: @Andrea [15:22] This, and a corresponding effect of forcing people out of the sorting/conceptualization flow they usually use, has been documented in a variety of ways by cognitive scientists (e.g., G. Klein)

[12:24] AndreaWesterinen: @DavidBlevins [15:23] A short answer .... yes, you need both community and time. And, if you track the evolution of a vocabulary/ontology, then you can start to do this.

[12:25] Gary Berg-Cross: [15:24]discussion - having functional OORs could help track ontology versions.

[12:26] Mark Underwood2: Quality/value prop may be debatable, but commercial CMDB has tried to create some onto standards with http://ontology.it/itsmo/home/

[12:26] David Blevins: @AndreaWesterinen: I agree, but what can be done other than named graphs, or is the state of the art currently restricted to named graphs?

[12:27] David Blevins: (just curious)

[12:28] AndreaWesterinen: @DavidBlevins [15:26] I have used the named graph approach with a naming convention and handled the rest in code. Perhaps this is another tooling issue? I believe that it needs more thought and investigation.

[12:30] AndreaWesterinen: I am not a huge fan of the complexity of SBVR, but they did clearly acknowledge the need to understand the community behind a vocabulary.

[12:30] AmandaVizedom: @DavidBlevins: this is (yet another) area in which there are existing treatments within proprietary systems and applications, but not (to my knowledge) very much existing support (methods or tools) for treating contextualization using open standard languages. IMHO it is an area in which development would give a lot of bang for the buck.

[12:31] AndreaWesterinen: Since Peter or someone will have to post a reference to SBVR, here it is: http://www.omg.org/spec/SBVR/

[12:31] Mark Underwood2: One area of low-hanging fruit is greenfield projects, e.g., augmented / assistive technologies that leverage data streams & sources that were previously not consumed by apps whose developers architected self-referential schemes where ontologies might have danced

[12:32] Mark Underwood2: Of late, also some startup $

[12:32] David Blevins: @AndreaWesterinen and @AmandaVizedom: Thanks for the feedback. It's an issue we are encountering in implementation. Hopefully we can find a workable solution. It would definitely be interesting to see solutions to this issue.

[12:33] AndreaWesterinen: @MarkFox ... I have written some very complex reasoning rules using Stardog (with embedded Pellet) as the backing triple store and engine. (Disclaimer: I do not work for Clark & Parsia.)

[12:35] AndreaWesterinen: @DavidBlevins [15:32] I have been doing some thinking on how to adapt tooling for ISO 15926 to map a local or proprietary context to "some" ontology. If you want to talk offline, let me know.

[12:35] Mark Underwood2: Intelligent agent notions are llving on in the schema-on-read thread

[12:36] David Blevins: OWL2 seems to present some interesting opportunities in that domain

[12:37] David Blevins: (the schema-on-read domain)

[12:40] SteveRay: It seems to me that semantic web folks would appreciate a short pick-list of "useful" ontologies that should routinely be imported as needed... would that be geonames (or W3C Geo?), Dublin Core, something equivalent to foaf, dare I say schema.org, a units of measure ontology (QUDT?), SKOS, ...

[12:42] David Blevins: I think Frank Olken just addressed our discussion of context. Specifically, the fact that no one is really handling it. heh...

[12:42] NSFHost: Coming up: == IAOA Best Ontology Summit Hackathon Prize ==

[12:43] Gary Berg-Cross: @Steve Some of the things you cite, such as GeoNames are in ontology repositories...but should we consider Dublin Core an Ontology??

[12:43] AndreaWesterinen: @SteveRay [15:40] Doesn't the answer depend on what you are looking to do? For example, metadata is DC, SKOS at least. I would not put geonames, or Getty's Thesaurus of Geographic Names or W3C Geo, etc. as necessary for metadata.

[12:44] AmandaVizedom: Andrea [15:43} +1

[12:46] AndreaWesterinen: @GaryBergCross [15:43] I tried to create a sample OWL 2 definition that takes Dublin Core and defines annotation properties for it. I am also working on a related ontology that re-defines some of the terms (and creates new IRIs) as data and object properties.

[12:46] AndreaWesterinen: Dublin Core itself is a vocabulary and not an ontology.

[12:47] PeterYim1: Winner of the IAOA OntologySummit2014 Hackathon Prize is: Ontology Design Patterns and Semantic Abstractions in Ontology Integration - Lead by MikeBennett and GaryBergCross

[12:47] NSFHost: I think we would do well to not include all the if's and's and but's, because we just dig ourselves into a hole. Maybe this is why we have trouble pointing people in the right direction. I'll bet that we can come up with a fairly small number of "things" (vocabulary, ontology...) that a semantic web person should consider when thinking of structuring their big data.

[12:47] PeterYim1: Congratulations, Mike and Gary!

[12:47] NSFHost: Whoops, that should have been from SteveRay, not NSFHost. Sorry. Wrong keyboard.

[12:49] DeborahLNichols1: Would Mike Fox share the reference to his "favorite measurement ontology" and would Frank Olken mention any measurement ontologies or standards that he considers worth consideration (at least as a starting point)? In particular, would Frank identify the single measurement ontology or standard that he mentioned (adequately?) addresses measures over continuous regions of space (and time)?

[12:51] AmandaVizedom: I object to that characterization of the Applied Ontology community.

[12:51] AmandaVizedom: (ref Leo's slide regarding top-down & bottom-up approaches)

[12:55] NSFHost: == Concluding remarks and next steps - RamSriram and TimFinin ==

[12:56] AmandaVizedom: Certainly some Applied ontologists have a top-down focus. But many of us, in our regular work lives, believe that the finding the appropriate level of abstraction is a continuous and case-by-case activity, driven not only by understanding of (multiple, possible) upper-to-mid-abstraction patterns that may fit, but also by ground-level elements and needs.

[13:01] anonymous1 morphed into Michael Uschold

[13:03] Michael Uschold: Suggested topic for 2015 theme. Understanding and Communicating Ontologies. 
Themse: 
* Visualization 
* Sumarization 
* Documentation, including competency questions 
* Modularity

[13:03] Mark Underwood2: Michael: & outreach to developer CoI's?

[13:04] CoreyLeong: thank you

[13:04] Gary Berg-Cross: Another topic for next year's summit - how to make Ontologies and Ontology efforts sustainable.

[13:05] ChristophLange: @MichaelUschold [22:03] +1

[13:06] PeterYim1: -- session ended: 4:01pm EDT --

[13:14] NSFHost: == Postscript session: Birds of a Feather session on FIBO == Beginning now

[13:23] anonymous1 morphed into EvanWallace

[14:27] NSFHost: closing down

[13:06] List of attendees: AmandaVizedom, AmandaVizedom1, AnatolyLevenchuk, AndreaWesterinen, BobbinTeegarden, BobbinTeegarden1, ChristiKapp, ChristiKapp1, Christof Hasse, ChristophLange, CoreyLeong, DanCerys, DanCorbett, David Blevins, DeborahLNichols, DeborahLNichols1, ElizabethFlorescu, ElizabethFlorescu1, EricChan, EricChan1, EvanWallace, FrankOlken, FrankOlken1, FrankOlken2, FrankOlken3, FrankOlken4, Gary Berg-Cross, Jesse Wang, JimSolderitsch, KenBaclawski, LAPritchard, LilianaIbethBarbosaSantillan, LilianaIbethBarbosaSantillan1, LilianaIbethBarbosaSantillan10, LilianaIbethBarbosaSantillan11, LilianaIbethBarbosaSantillan12, LilianaIbethBarbosaSantillan13, LilianaIbethBarbosaSantillan14, LilianaIbethBarbosaSantillan15, LilianaIbethBarbosaSantillan16, LilianaIbethBarbosaSantillan17, LilianaIbethBarbosaSantillan18, LilianaIbethBarbosaSantillan2, LilianaIbethBarbosaSantillan3, LilianaIbethBarbosaSantillan4, LilianaIbethBarbosaSantillan5, LilianaIbethBarbosaSantillan6 , LilianaIbethBarbosaSantillan7, LilianaIbethBarbosaSantillan8, LilianaIbethBarbosaSantillan9, MarcelaVegetti, MarcelaVegetti1, Mark Underwood, Mark Underwood1, Mark Underwood2, Michael Uschold, MichaelRiben, MichaelRiben1, MikeBennett, MikeBennett1, MikeBennett2, MikeBennett3, MikeDean, Mohsen Doroodchi, MosesLesibaGadebe, NSFHost, NSFHost1, NaicongLi, PeterYim, PeterYim1, QuentinReul, RaviSharma, Shawn Johnson, Stephane Fellah, SteveRay, SundayOjo, SundayOjo , SundayOjo1, TerryLongstreth, TillMossakowski, TillMossakowski1, TillMossakowski2, TillMossakowski3, TimFinin, TimFinin1, Todd Pehle, ToddSchneider, TorstenHahmann, TorstenHahmann1, VictorAgroskin, VictorChernov, anonymous, anonymous1, pfps (aka Peter F. Patel-Schneider), vnc2

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