ppy/OntologySummit2014-s09_chat-transcript_unedited_20140313a.txt ------ Chat transcript from room: summit_20140313 2014-03-13 GMT-08:00 [PDT] ------ [8:33] PeterYim: Welcome to the = OntologySummit2014 session-09 Track-B: Making use of Ontologies: Tools, Services, and Techniques - II - Thu 2014-03-13 = Summit Theme: Summit Theme: OntologySummit2014: "Big Data and Semantic Web Meet Applied Ontology" Session Topic: Track B: "Making use of Ontologies: Tools, Services, and Techniques - II" Track Co-champions: * Dr. ChristophLange (University of Bonn / Fraunhofer IAIS) - (session chair) * Professor AlanRector (University of Manchester) Panelists / Briefings: * Mr. MikeBergman (Structured Dynamics LLC, USA) - OSF (Open Semantic Framework): An Ontology-driven Semantic Platform for Enterprises" * Dr. JoseMariaGarcia (STI Innsbruck, Austria) - "Linked Services Initiatives: Lightweight semantics for services on the Web of Data" * Ms. MariaPovedaVillalon (Ontology Engineering Group, Universidad Politécnica de Madrid, Spain) - "A Reuse-based Lightweight Method for Developing Linked Data Ontologies and Vocabularies" * Dr. CristinaPattuelli (Pratt Institute, New York, USA) - "The Linked Jazz Project" ... (tentative) Logistics: * Refer to details on session page at: ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2014_03_13 * (if you haven't already done so) please click on "settings" (top center) and morph from "anonymous" to your RealName; also please enable "Show timestamps" while there. * Mute control (phone keypad): *7 to un-mute ... *6 to mute * Attn: Skype users ... see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2014_03_13#nid48I4 ** you may connect to (the skypeID) "joinconference" whether or not it indicates that it is online (i.e. even if it says it is "offline," you should still be able to connect to it.) ** if you are using skype and the connection to "joinconference" is not holding up, try using (your favorite POTS or VoIP line, etc.) either your phone, skype-out or google-voice and call the US dial-in number: +1 (206) 402-0100 ... when prompted enter Conference ID: 141184# ** Can't find Skype Dial pad? *** for Windows Skype users: Can't find Skype Dial pad? ... it's under the "Call" dropdown menu as "Show Dial pad" *** for Linux Skype users: if the dialpad button is not shown in the call window you need to press the "d" hotkey to enable it * when posting in this Chat-room, kindly observe the following ... ** whenever a name is used, please use the full WikiWord name format (every time you don't, some volunteer will have to make an edit afterwards) ** always provide context (like: "[ref. JaneDoe's slide#12], I think the point about context is great" ... rather than "that's great!" as the latter would mean very little in the archives.) ** when responding to a specific individual's earlier remarks, please cite his/her full WikiWord names *and* the timestamp (in PST) of his/her post that you are responding to (e.g. "@JaneDoe [11:09] - I agree, but, ...") ** use fully qualified url's (include http:// ) without symbols (like punctuations or parentheses, etc.) right before of after that URL Attendees: AliHashemi, AnatolyLevenchuk, AnettHoppe, BartGajderowicz, BobbinTeegarden, BruceBray, CarmenChui, CarolBean, ChristophLange, ConradBeaulieu, DaliaVaranka, DennisWisnosky, EarlGlynn, EdBernot, HaroldBoley, JaanaTakis, JamesOverton, JohnBerezowski, JoseMariaGarcia, LamarHenderson, LeoObrst, LesMorgan, LianaKiff, MarcelaVegetti, MariaPoveda, MarkFox, MatthewWest, MichaelGruninger, MikeBergman, MikeDean, NaicongLi, NancyWiegand, OliverKutz, PeterHaase, PeterYim, RamSriram, RichardMartin, ShahanKhatchadourian, SiewLam, SimonSpero, SundayOjo, TerryLongstreth, TimFinin, ToddSchneider, VitLibal == Proceedings == [9:23] anonymous morphed into JoseMariaGarcia [9:27] anonymous morphed into AnettHoppe [9:29] anonymous morphed into MariaPoveda [9:29] ShahanKhatchadourian: hi all [9:30] MariaPoveda: Hi all [9:31] MatthewWest: Just a small thing about how to respond including the timestamp. We each get our local time, so at present the timestamp I am seeing is 16:30. [9:34] PeterYim: good point, Matthew ... people can do something like [xx:31] or [+0:31], [+1:31] ... anyhow, when I edit the transcript, I will convert them back to the same time-zone so that the transcript is "intelligible" [9:36] anonymous morphed into MikeBergman [9:37] anonymous morphed into JohnB [9:43] PeterYim: @JohnB ... please morph into your full name (we use real names here, and that will allow everyone to know who you are, and to properly attribute your contributions) Thanks in advance. [11:31] PeterYim: @JohnB ... I assume that's JohnBerezowski, right? [11:32] JohnB: right [9:38] PeterYim: == ChristophLange starts the session ... see slides under: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2014_03_13#nid48HP [9:44] anonymous morphed into LamarHenderson [9:46] PeterYim: == MikeBergman presenting ... [9:47] anonymous morphed into MarkFox [9:50] anonymous morphed into BobbinTeegarden [9:54] PeterYim: @MikeBergman - can you provide links to some of the ontologies that are used in the examples you have cited? [9:57] ToddSchneider: Yes, the actual ontologies not images. In particular, the relations. [9:59] ToddSchneider: MikeBergman, which reasoner(s) in used in OSF? [10:07] anonymous morphed into LesMorgan [10:07] LesMorgan: Regarding the Drupal integraton, has anyone attempted integrating OSF with Wordpress? [10:10] DennisWisnosky: How are Drupal and GitHub used together in OSF? [10:10] ToddSchneider: MikeBergman, is OSF focused on user 'read' interactions (i.e., users don't modify the underlying data)? [10:26] JaanaTakis: @MikeBergman. Drupal RDF support - was the maturity sufficient for what you envisioned? [10:35] SimonSpero: @DennisWisnosky [13:10]: GitHub is a system for supporting distributed software development that happens to be where OSF is hosted. Drupal is a Content Management System. [10:43] DennisWisnosky: @simonSpero: GitHub manages repositories. Repositories have content. Doesn't this make GitHub a content management system? [10:45] DennisWisnosky: GitHub as a CMS to end CMSes - Paul Hammant's blog http://paulhammant.com/blog/github-as-a-cms-to-end-cmses.html May 8, 2011 - Exec Summary GitHub can be used as a site serving tool. It is actually a pretty usable CMS even for non-technical folks. With some more ... [11:30] MikeBergman: @DennisWisnosky: we use GitHub as our code repository, and not as a CMS; there is no relation to Drupal [10:09] PeterYim: == JoseMariaGarcia presenting ... [10:18] anonymous morphed into JaanaTakis [10:26] anonymous morphed into ConradBeaulieu [10:40] PeterYim: @JoseMariaGarcia - in observing your KISS principle, do you run into problems with expressivity? (services can be complex to describe!) [10:55] JoseMariaGarcia: @PeterYim [18:40]: Indeed, that may be a problem. That is why we are looking at real examples and figuring out whether we can describe them in full or not. And so far this methodology has been working well for us. Ultimately, the use of Linked Data principles will always allow to link the description to more complex vocabularies (or ontologies, depending on the definition from MariaPoveda ;) in case you need more details to be described. [10:56] PeterYim: @JoseMariaGarcia, thank you [10:40] PeterYim: == MariaPovedaVillalon presenting ... [10:54] anonymous morphed into VitLibal [10:55] PeterYim: @MariaPoveda, (slide#9) can you repeat the acronym that you are using for the methodology that you are proposing, please? (missed that when you presented that verbally) [10:55] ChristophLange: I think the acronym was LOT = Linked Open Terms [10:57] PeterYim: @ChristophLange, thank you [11:12] MariaPoveda: Yes, the acronym is LOT Linked Open Terms [11:07] NancyWiegand: @current speaker or anyone, How do you find URIs already used in linked data that could be used for your own data? Are tools being written to search the LOD? [11:12] SimonSpero: @NancyWiegand : http://datahub.io/dataset [11:12] PeterYim: == CristinaPattuelli does not seem to have been able to join us ... so moving on [11:12] PeterYim: == Q & A and Open Discussion ... [11:14] LesMorgan: @MikeBergman: has anyone tried integrating OSF with the Wordpress CMS rather than the Drupal CMS? Wordpress is much more widely used. [11:22] LesMorgan: http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=wordpress,%20drupal,%20joomla [11:23] LesMorgan: the link shows comparative interest in Drupal vs Wordpress [11:23] LesMorgan: graph shows Drupal has a declining popularity index, while Wordpress has strong growth [11:24] LesMorgan: Porting some of the Drupal front-end plugins might not be very difficult [11:31] MikeBergman: @LesMorgan: we have a PHP API that should work well with WP, though I don't know of anyone who has done so [11:34] LesMorgan: Mike, I will pursue the API with you directly. We have a current development requirement. [11:13] DennisWisnosky: @MariaPoveda: shida@uga.edu Shima Dastgheib is doing work that is related, minus the Ontology quality work. [11:07] JaanaTakis: @MariaPoveda, are you aware of any plans to develop tools that would follow this methodology, or incorporate the approach into existing tools? Is it an aim? [11:14] MariaPoveda: @JaanaTakis, I plan to develop some missing parts and try to integrate with the systems that are already there [11:14] MariaPoveda: for example I have integrated [http://graphite.ecs.soton.ac.uk/checker/ TripleChecker] into [[OOPS]]! already [11:15] JaanaTakis: @MariaPoveda, what is a good link to stay informed of any further developments on this? [11:16] MariaPoveda: @JaanaTakis, as you have asked for it I'll set up a website, so far my only development is about ontology evaluation and you can follow news at twitter [11:16] MariaPoveda: https://twitter.com/OOPSoeg and it website http://www.oeg-upm.net/oops/ [11:17] JaanaTakis: thank you! [11:18] MariaPoveda: welcome :-) [11:21] ChristophLange: FYI Track D on "Variety": search http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2014 for "Variety" to see what has happened so far there? [11:23] ChristophLange: http://neologism.deri.ie/about [11:23] ChristophLange: Neologism is a Drupal-based editor for vocabularies [10:22] SimonSpero: @MikeBergman: Looking at the OSF, it looks like some of the ontologies are not RDF compatible OWL2 ( e.g. https://github.com/structureddynamics/Ontologies-Open-Semantic-Framework/blob/master/iron/iron.owl ) [10:24] SimonSpero: @MikeBergman: e.g. iron:altLabel is a declared a datatype property, which has an owl:equivalentProperty declaration to skos:altLabel, which is an annotation property. [11:26] MikeBergman: @SimonSpero: good catch on iron; we actually use that vocabulary offline as a means of migrating XML, CSV or JSON data to our triple store [11:27] TerryLongstreth: [on the verbal remark from MariaPoveda that she does not consider Protege "heavy-weight," but ChristophLange countered that Protege may already be "heavy-weight"] Protege may not be heavy-weight to a rising Ontology PhD, but it's not intuitive to the journeyman programmer. [11:32] PeterYim: @ALL: if you are not subscribed to the [ontology-summit] mailing list yet, please do so (and participate in the ongoing asynchronous discourse) - http://ontolog.cim3.net/mailman/listinfo/ontology-summit (or drop me a line - peter.yim [at] cim3.com) [11:32] PeterYim: @ALL: as announced by our Symposium co-chairs, Professor TimFinin and Dr. Ram Sriram yesterday, our Apr 28~29 Symposium (at NSF in Greater Washington DC) is now open for registration. Please register yourself ASAP, as capacity is limited - see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2014/WorkshopRegistration [11:32] PeterYim: @ALL: Please mark you calendars and reserve this time, every Thursday, for the OntologySummit2014 virtual panel session series. In particular ... Session-10 will be up next Thursday - Thu 2014.03.20 - OntologySummit2014: "Track C: Overcoming Ontology Engineering Bottlenecks - II" *** Please pay special attention to the start-time (9:30am PDT), as this week is among the tricky ones, when N.America is in Summer time, Europe is still in Winter time, and lots of other regions don't do daylight saving time at all! *** - see developing details at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2014_03_20 ... the start-time fopr various time-zones will be clearly posted there [11:33] PeterYim: great session! [11:33] MariaPoveda: bye [11:33] ChristophLange: thanks all, bye! [11:33] PeterYim: -- session ended: 11:30am PDT -- ------