ppy/OntologySummit2014-s05_chat-transcript_unedited_20140213a.txt ------ Chat transcript from room: summit_20140213 2014-02-13 GMT-08:00 [PST] ------ [9:23] PeterYim: Welcome to the = OntologySummit2014 session-05 Track-D: Tackling the Variety Problem in Big Data - I - Thu 2014-02-13 = Summit Theme: OntologySummit2014: "Big Data and Semantic Web Meet Applied Ontology" Session Topic: Track D: "Tackling the Variety Problem in Big Data - I" Session Co-chairs: Professor KenBaclawski (Northeastern University) Professor AnneThessen (Arizona State University) Briefings: * Professor KenBaclawski (Northeastern University) - Tackling the Variety Problem in Big Data - An Introduction" * Mr. EricChan (Oracle) - "Enabling OODA Loop with Information Technology" * Mr. NathanWilson (Encyclopedia of Life) - "The Semantic Underpinnings of EOL TraitBank" * Ms. RuthDuerr (National Snow and Ice Data Center) - "Semantics and the SSIII Project" Logistics: * Refer to details on session page at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2014_02_13 * (if you haven't already done so) please click on "settings" (top center) and morph from "anonymous" to your RealName; also please enable "Show timestamps" while there. * Mute control (phone keypad): *7 to un-mute ... *6 to mute * Attn: Skype users ... see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2014_02_13#nid467E ** you may connect to (the skypeID) "joinconference" whether or not it indicates that it is online (i.e. even if it says it is "offline," you should still be able to connect to it.) ** if you are using skype and the connection to "joinconference" is not holding up, try using (your favorite POTS or VoIP line, etc.) either your phone, skype-out or google-voice and call the US dial-in number: +1 (206) 402-0100 ... when prompted enter Conference ID: 141184# ** Can't find Skype Dial pad? *** for Windows Skype users: Can't find Skype Dial pad? ... it's under the "Call" dropdown menu as "Show Dial pad" *** for Linux Skype users: if the dialpad button is not shown in the call window you need to press the "d" hotkey to enable it * when posting in this Chat-room, kindly observe the following ... ** whenever a name is used, please use the full WikiWord name format (every time you don't, some volunteer will have to make an edit afterwards) ** always provide context (like: "[ref. JaneDoe's slide#12], I think the point about context is great" ... rather than "that's great!" as the latter would mean very little in the archives.) ** when responding to a specific individual's earlier remarks, please cite his/her full WikiWord names *and* the timestamp (in PST) of his/her post that you are responding to (e.g. "@JaneDoe [11:09] - I agree, but, ...") ** use fully qualified url's (include http:// ) without symbols (like punctuations or parentheses, etc.) right before of after that URL . == Proceedings == . [8:32] anonymous morphed into NathanWilson [8:42] anonymous morphed into Les Morgan [8:49] anonymous morphed into NathanWilson [9:02] anonymous morphed into FrancescaQuattri [9:16] anonymous morphed into FrancescaQuattri [9:21] ericChan morphed into EricChan [9:23] Anne Thessen morphed into AnneThessen [9:25] anonymous morphed into BruceBray [9:26] EdBernot: Good day to all. [9:27] anonymous morphed into BobMorris [9:31] anonymous morphed into TerryLongstreth [9:33] anonymous1 morphed into BobbinTeegarden [9:34] anonymous morphed into ShahanKhatchadourian [9:37] anonymous morphed into DieterGawlick [9:38] PeterYim: == KenBaclawski starts the session on behalf of the session co-chairs ... see slides under: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2014_02_13#nid466Z [9:42] anonymous morphed into TorstenHahmann [9:50] anonymous1 morphed into Ram D. Sriram [9:51] PeterYim: == EricChan presenting ... [9:51] AnneThessen: The really interesting thing about the diagram on EricChan slide #3 is that it looks like the scientific process [9:52] anonymous1 morphed into FrancescaQuattri [9:52] List of members: AliHashemi, AmandaVizedom, AnatolyLevenchuk, AndreaWesterinen, AnneThessen, BobbinTeegarden, BobMorris, BruceBray, CarmenChui, CarolBean, ChristineKapp, ChristophLange, ConradBeaulieu, Dennis Wisnosky1, DennisPierson, DieterGawlick, DouglasDonahue, EdBernot, EricChan, FrancescaQuattri, Gary Berg-Cross, HaroldBoley, JacoDuPreez, KenBaclawski, LeoObrst, Les Morgan, LianaKiff, MatthewLange, MeganKatsumi, MichaelGruninger, MikeBennett, NathanWilson, PeterYim, Ram D. Sriram, RexBrooks, Richard Martin, Ruth Duerr, ShahanKhatchadourian, SimonSpero, SteveRay, Sunday Ojo, TerryLongstreth, ToddSchneider, TorstenHahmann, Uri Shani, vnc2 [9:54] anonymous morphed into Adel Ghoneimy [9:55] BobMorris: @Anne: But it is unclear to me where "Evidence" should fit. [9:57] Ruth Duerr: @Anne: Well your observation goes along with what I've been saying for years about most people who use experience or other evidence to make decisions are actually doing science whether they know it or not [9:59] Adel Ghoneimy: I totally agree. KIDS is very much inline with the scientific method [10:02] AnneThessen: I also like the evolutionary applications on EricChan slide #8 can accommodate changing data and knowledge. Again, this is like the scientific process. [10:03] Adel Ghoneimy: Our intent in KIDS is to support knowledge evolution on personal/community level [10:03] AnneThessen: @ BobMorris: Maybe evidence would fit into FIHD? Or it would be another layer that is used to build the "facts" [10:04] SimonSpero: @Anne: if it changes, was it knowledge? [10:06] Adel Ghoneimy: Could you elaborate please [10:06] MatthewLange: Anyone, what is FSD? [10:07] AnneThessen: @SimonSpero: Perhaps...because systems change over time. However knowledge can change because we got it wrong before. Maybe that's not really knowledge. [10:07] Adel Ghoneimy: FSD = Flexible Schema Data [10:08] Adel Ghoneimy: Actually system changes because of knowledge evolution [10:08] MatthewLange: Thanks...would be good to have acronyms defined in slides [10:08] PeterYim: ... slide#17 now [10:08] PeterYim: ... slide#18 now [10:11] AnneThessen: @AdelGhoneimy: I was thinking more of natural systems. Like the oceans, climate or an ecosystem. What we knew about how an ecosystem worked 200 years ago may not be valid now. [10:11] PeterYim: the Ontolog demo Eric mentioned in slide#16 ref. the capture of tacit knowledge among Ontolog participants can be found at the talk - "Application of OASIS Integrated Collaboration Object Model (ICOM) with Oracle Database 11g Semantic Technologies" by : EricChan, RameshVasudevan & AlanWu (ICOM; Oracle); DeirdreLee & LauraDragan (ICOM; DERI) - see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2010_08_05#nid2FC6 [10:15] PeterYim: == NathanWilson presenting ... [10:17] Adel Ghoneimy: @AnneThessen: Yes, I agree and due to KIDS provenance you can retrospective view old data in light of new knowledge. Especially for understanding trends [10:18] KenBaclawski: The slides are at http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntologySummit2014/2014-02-13_OntologySummit2014_Tackling-the-Variety-Problem-in-Big-Data-1/OntologySummit2014_Semantic-Underpinnings-of-EOL-TraitBank_w-Demo-NathanWilson_20140213.pdf [10:21] DouglasDonahue: And, that is/will be unto the English language; only! [10:23] anonymous morphed into AbhayKashyap [10:24] LianaKiff: Large portions of this presentation don't appear in the PDF. [10:24] PeterYim: @DouglasDonahue & ALL: please include context when posting a message ... so the archived chat-transcript will make sense to people reading it at a later time (say 3 years from now) [10:25] AliHashemi: @Liana, try downloading the slides. It wasn't rendering properly in the browser, but loads fine in a dedicated pdf viewer [10:25] PeterYim: ^some context (like ref. NathanWilson's slide#5 blah, blah, blah) [10:29] DouglasDonahue: Sorry. Yes, of course. In description of language problems associated w/semantics associated with identifying terms. Homophony being a consequent, or perhaps an underlying 'feature' of the language. Only trying to point out, or perhaps hint, that such problems become exacerbated with the I18N as well. [10:31] PeterYim: @DouglasDonahue, thank you (no problem) [10:32] Uri Shani: no text on slide 20? [10:33] MatthewLange: has EOL open-sourced the PHPO backend code, and Ruby front-end code? [10:33] PeterYim: @Uri - ref. above [xx:25] AliHashemi: try running the slides from a pdf viewer on your desktop after downloading it [10:35] DouglasDonahue: How about stated, or even inferred, scope of contents elements. I'm supposing Humans are not included, or is this incorrect? [10:36] AnneThessen: @ MatthewLange: All EOL code is open source as far as I know [10:36] MatthewLange: @AnneThessen thanks, do you know where it is available, GitHub perhaps? [10:37] AliHashemi: @Douglas: http://eol.org/pages/42268/overview [10:37] AliHashemi: (no predators - hurray!) [10:37] DouglasDonahue: Woops, did it again. Thank you for the EOL reference URI. [10:38] AliHashemi: and rather: http://eol.org/pages/327955/overview [10:38] AliHashemi: (2 predators) [10:38] PeterYim: ... on slide#24 now [10:39] MatthewLange: @AnneThessen hosting in a place like GitHub would enable more rapid (and free) feature enhancements from the community [10:39] PeterYim: == RuthDuerr presenting ... [10:40] AnneThessen: @MatthewLange: I do not know where the EOL code is hosted. Perhaps you should ask Nathan at the end. [10:42] MatthewLange: @NathanWilson, are you hosting the front-end Ruby, and back-end PHP code in a public repository somewhere, GitHub perhaps? [10:46] PeterYim: ... on slide#5 now [10:47] PeterYim: ... on slide#6 now [10:58] Gary Berg-Cross: Ruth's discussion of the series of sea-ice ontologies from standard body terminologies (and models)touches on a modular approach as well as reuse of existing work to good advantage. [11:02] anonymous morphed into PavithraKenjige [11:03] PeterYim: ... on slide#13 now [11:05] PeterYim: ref. Ruth Duerr's SSIII sea ice ontology (slide#10) ... time and again, these real application cases demonstrate that starting by "ontologizing" existing standards would make an efficient and effective improvement approach [11:07] PeterYim: ... continuing the pursuit of "OntologyBasedStandards" should promise to be a good use of this community's time - ref. http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologyBasedStandards [11:09] PeterYim: == AnatolyLevenchuk making a call for Hackathon Project Proposals ... [11:10] Gary Berg-Cross: I note in passing that Apps for Schema.org has been a discussion topic on the Forum. For example, http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontology-summit/2014-02/msg00185.html [11:11] DouglasDonahue: Kudos Semantics-and-the-SSIII-Project, as it ties together the science of the subject itself, in conjunction with a bonfide understanding, and leveraging of the associated IT methodology to bring it to life in real world. Thinking ahead, and provisioning for incorporation, and use of other languages, from the get-go is extremely kool to see up close! [11:12] AnneThessen: Just to play devil's advocate. I'm looking at RuthDuerr Slide #23. If these communities have successfully used oral traditions to pass on knowledge for millennia, what do they think technology has to offer? In many ways digital data are far more fragile. [11:14] Ruth Duerr: @Anne: Well... the elders may like the oral tradition; but their kids all have cell phones and iPads... [11:14] Gary Berg-Cross: @Anne Since Digital forms may be more widely shared and they are long lasting they may allow a new path for slow accumulation and consolidation. [11:17] BobbinTeegarden: @Ruth What were you thinking about for visualization (and animation over time)? [11:17] MikeBennett: @Anne @Gary @Ruth maybe this is the transformation of the knowledge contained in this planet, from traditional communities to shared digital resources. [11:17] PeterYim: == Q & A and Open Discussion ... [11:17] Gary Berg-Cross: Peter is there a link to AnatolyLevenchuk's slides??? [11:17] MatthewLange: how do i unmute again? [11:18] PeterYim: @Gary, Anatoly's slides is the deck labeled "[4-Hackathon]" under: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2014_02_13#nid4670 [11:19] DouglasDonahue: Should the Semantics-and-the-SSIII-Project, not hbeheld as a positive, for oral traditions only data exchance, moving forward then? Such data necessarily is then committed to the Cloud, upon 'discovery', capture, and not only existent in the environment, (where it's likelyhood for loss is greater) at some point. [11:20] PeterYim: MatthewLange question about availability of the codes for the various projects, like EOL - please post url's so we can access them [11:19] Ruth Duerr: http://code.google.com/p/ssiii/ [11:21] Ruth Duerr: If you go to http://nsidc.org/ssiii there are purl's for each of the ontologies [11:21] anonymous morphed into GlennFreytag [11:22] NathanWilson: EOL website code is available at: https://github.com/EOL/eol [11:23] NathanWilson: Harvesting code is available here: https://github.com/EOL/eol_php_code [11:23] LeoObrst: @EricChan: I'm still not sure what "directive" is. It seems like it's a quasi-belief, and/or an action based on that belief. Since the next step is "fact", I am not sure of the relationships among these. But that's not quite right. [11:23] NathanWilson: Other EOL related code is available through the GitHub organization: https://github.com/EOL [11:25] MatthewLange: Thanks @RuthDuerr and @NathanWilson kudos for open sourcing, and providing the links to the community. Great marketing. [11:27] Ruth Duerr: @BobbinTeegarden: Sorry - just saw your post now. We have systems that take a date range, data set name, and a polygon and provide a number of analysis services (reprojection, subsetting, aggregation, etc.). I want to take the polygon's the come out of the semantic search to feed into these other services to produce the analyses based on the semantic input. A full answer might be rather lengthy... [11:28] BobbinTeegarden: @Ruth Thank you, would love to hear more if there's a url. Great work! [11:29] NathanWilson: Regarding the comments about humans, yes we have a page: http://eol.org/pages/327955/overview [11:30] NathanWilson: Also we do have some predators listed: Tiger Shark and surprisingly California Poppy. [11:30] NathanWilson: The later is clearly an example of erroneous data :-) [11:30] NathanWilson: We'll get that cleaned up shortly. [11:31] AnneThessen: @NathanWilson: referring to California Poppy listed as human predator, there are carnivorous plants, but that is strange. Because of heroin deaths? [11:32] DouglasDonahue: In the event that the level of visioning, and provenance, with Ontology development, and instantiation; then shouldn't it be about that time? Such functions are inherent within development. Discussion should probably be warranted among this committee; if it isn't already going on, now? [11:36] AnneThessen: @NathanWilson: Polar bears should certainly be listed as a human predator. It is the only species that actively hunts Homo sapiens. [11:38] Ruth Duerr: @BobbinTeegarden: Sorry no URL at this point... [11:38] PeterYim: Please mark you calendars and reserve this time, every Thursday, for the OntologySummit2014 virtual panel session series. In particular ... next Track D session ill be on Thu 2014.03.27 - session-11 Session-06 will be up next Thursday - Thu 2014.02.20 (same time) - OntologySummit2014: Synthesis-I & Communique Table-of-Conetnt Discussion - see developing details at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2014_02_20 [11:38] PeterYim: @ALL: if you are not subscribed to the [ontology-summit] mailing list yet, please do so (to allow yourself to participate in the ongoing asynchronous discourse) - http://ontolog.cim3.net/mailman/listinfo/ontology-summit (or drop me a line - peter.yim [at] cim3.com) [11:39] DouglasDonahue: Very cool; cheers [11:39] Gary Berg-Cross: Bye [11:39] LeoObrst: Great talks and discussion: thanks, all! [11:39] BobbinTeegarden: @Ruth look at ICES Foundation, something I'm working with. They're not there yet, but you're not alone ;0) [11:40] NathanWilson: I'm sure the California Poppy issue is simply a data error probably from our data providers. [11:39] PeterYim: -- session ended: 11:36am PST -- [11:39] List of attendees: AbhayKashyap, Adel Ghoneimy, AliHashemi, AmandaVizedom, AnatolyLevenchuk, AnatolyLevenchuk1, AndreaWesterinen, Anne Thessen, AnneThessen, BobMorris, BobbinTeegarden, BruceBray, CarmenChui, CarolBean, ChristineKapp, ChristophLange, ConradBeaulieu, Dennis Wisnosky, Dennis Wisnosky1, DennisPierson, DieterGawlick, DouglasDonahue, EdBernot, EricChan, FrancescaQuattri, Gary Berg-Cross, GlennFreytag, HaroldBoley, JacoDuPreez, KenBaclawski, LeoObrst, Les Morgan, LianaKiff, MatthewLange, MeganKatsumi, MichaelGruninger, MikeBennett, NancyWiegand, NathanWilson, PavithraKenjige, PeterYim, Ram D. Sriram, RexBrooks, Richard Martin, Ruth Duerr, ShahanKhatchadourian, SimonSpero, SteveRay, Sunday Ojo, TerryLongstreth, ToddSchneider, TorstenHahmann, Uri Shani, VictorAgroskin, anonymous, anonymous1, ericChan, vnc2 ------