ppy/OntologySummit2014_LaunchEvent_chat-transcript_unedited_20140116a.txt ------ Chat transcript from room: summit_20140116 2014-01-16 GMT-08:00 [PST] ------ [8:54] PeterYim: Welcome to the = OntologySummit2014 Launch Event - Thu 2014-01-16 = Summit Theme: OntologySummit2014: "Big Data and Semantic Web Meet Applied Ontology" (427U) Summit General Co-chairs: Professor MichaelGruninger & Dr. LeoObrst Symposium Co-chairs - Dr. RamSriram & Professor TimFinin Opening remarks from the leadership of the OntologySummit co-organizers: * NCO_NITRD - Dr. GeorgeStrawn * NIST - Dr. RamSriram * IAOA - Professor MichaelGruninger * NCBO - Professor MarkMusen * NCOR - Professor BarrySmith * ONTOLOG - Mr. PeterYim Introducing our Champions and the OntologySummit2014 program: * Track A: Common Reusable Semantic Content - Co-Champions: Mr. MikeBennett, Ms. AndreaWesterinen, Dr. GaryBergCross * Track B: Making use of Ontologies: Tools, Services, and Techniques - Co-Champions: Dr. ChristophLange, Professor AlanRector, ... * Track C: Overcoming Ontology Engineering Bottlenecks - Co-Champions: Professor KrzysztofJanowicz, Professor PascalHitzler, Dr. MatthewWest (43T3) * Track D: Tackling the Variety Problem in Big Data - Co-Champions: Professor KenBaclawski, ... * Track E: Hackathon (and related activities) - Co-Champions: Mr. DanBrickley, Mr. AnatolyLevenchuk, ..., (Professor KenBaclawski) * Track F: Communique and Publications - Lead-Editors: Professor MichaelGruninger & Dr. LeoObrst; Co-champions: Dr. ToddSchneider, Ms. FrancescaQuattri * Track G: Community Resources (Library, Data Collection, Ontology Repository, etc.) - Co-champions: Dr. AmandaVizedom, Dr. OliverKutz * Team R: Public Relations (includes Sponsor Relations & Website Development) - Co-champions: ___, Professor MarcelaVegetti, ..., (Dr. MatthewWest) * Team M: Program management (includes operations, logistics, production) - Co-champions: Mr. PeterYim, ... 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[9:18] anonymous1 morphed into MarciaZeng [9:19] PeterYim: Hello Marcia ... thanks for joining us today [9:20] Krzysztof Janowicz: Hi [9:20] anonymous1 morphed into Dan McShan [9:21] EdBernot: Good day! [9:25] anonymous1 morphed into Anne Thessen [9:26] anonymous2 morphed into CarmenChui [9:26] anonymous1 morphed into Veruska Zamborlini [9:27] anonymous1 morphed into Sunday Ojo [9:29] Sunday Ojo: I am Prof Sunday Ojo, Executive Dean of faculty of ICT, Tshwane University of Technology, Pretoria, South Africa [9:30] JensOrtmann: Hello [9:30] anonymous4 morphed into Christine Kapp [9:30] Christine Kapp morphed into ChristineKapp [9:30] anonymous4 morphed into lamarhenderson [9:30] anonymous3 morphed into Les Morgan [9:30] anonymous2 morphed into JoelSachs [9:30] JoelSachs morphed into Joel Sachs [9:31] anonymous6 morphed into Liana Kiff [9:31] AmandaVizedom: Folks on the call: if you aren't actively talking, it would help if you would mute yourself locally. We're getting lots of background sounds. [9:31] anonymous5 morphed into Dan Gant [9:31] Joel Sachs: shouldn't have happened. messages out of order. [9:31] anonymous1 morphed into John Yanosy [9:31] Liana Kiff morphed into LianaKiff [9:31] Joel Sachs morphed into JoelSachs [9:31] Matthew West morphed into MatthewWest [9:32] Dan McShan morphed into DanielMcShan [9:32] anonymous3 morphed into BobbinTeegarden [9:32] anonymous1 morphed into Gary Berg-Cross [9:32] MikeBennett: I have to leave at 2pm Eastern US Time FYI. [9:32] anonymous2 morphed into AdamShepherd [9:32] anonymous1 morphed into BruceSpencer [9:32] anonymous4 morphed into Simona [9:32] anonymous2 morphed into EarlGlynn [9:32] anonymous1 morphed into RobinMcEntire [9:33] anonymous1 morphed into Eric Stephan [9:34] anonymous2 morphed into ToddSchneider [9:34] PeterYim: == Professor MichaelGruninger & Dr. LeoObrst starts the session ... [9:35] anonymous3 morphed into MichaelRiben [9:35] anonymous4 morphed into FrancescaQuattri [9:35] anonymous2 morphed into JulienCorman [9:35] anonymous1 morphed into uams-dbmi [9:36] anonymous1 morphed into Juan Gomez-Romero [9:36] anonymous2 morphed into QuentinReul [9:36] anonymous3 morphed into SergeMaslyukov [9:36] anonymous1 morphed into SimonSpero [9:36] anonymous1 morphed into FabianNeuhaus [9:36] PeterYim: Dr. LeoObrst presenting an overview of the Summit and agenda of this session see slides at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2014_01_16#nid43TE [9:36] anonymous2 morphed into ElieAbiLahoud [9:37] anonymous1 morphed into DanBrickley [9:37] anonymous1 morphed into DennisPierson [9:37] anonymous2 morphed into Emanuele [9:38] anonymous1 morphed into Dennis Wisnosky [9:40] anonymous1 morphed into MeganKatsumi [9:42] anonymous morphed into Rishi [9:42] anonymous morphed into wtm [9:43] anonymous morphed into LynneBaer [9:44] DennisPierson1 morphed into DennisPierson [9:44] anonymous3 morphed into Dan Carey [9:47] PeterYim: == Remarks from the leadership of our co-organizers ... [9:49] PeterYim: briefs from GeorgeStrawn (NCO_NITRD), RamSriram (NIST), MichaelGruninger (IAOA), MarkMusen (NCBO), BarrySmith (NCOR), PeterYim (ONTOLOG) [9:50] anonymous morphed into MatthewLange [9:56] anonymous morphed into TimFinin [9:59] Dennis Wisnosky: How many members are in IAOA? [10:01] anonymous morphed into Barry Smith [10:02] FrankLoebe: @DennisWisnosky: Hi, it's ca. 150 members usually, often extending in years of IAOA's flagship conference FOIS to more than 200 [10:07] anonymous morphed into Natalie Meyers [10:07] Barry Smith: I am not muted but am on the phone [10:08] Barry Smith: I cam here you. Perhaps take care of someone else first [10:08] anonymous morphed into KenAllgood [10:19] anonymous morphed into PavithraKenjige [10:23] PeterYim: == Introducing the Champions and the OntologySummit2014 program ... [10:23] anonymous morphed into LianaKiff [10:24] anonymous morphed into KenAllgood [10:30] Juan Gomez-Romero morphed into JuanGomezRomero [10:36] Gary Berg-Cross: Note, for the 2nd session of track A Content Reuse, John Sowa has agreed to be a speaker. [10:36] anonymous morphed into LamarHenderson [10:36] DanBrickley: does anyone have VNC working on OSX? [10:36] MikeBennett: @Gary great! [10:37] Gary Berg-Cross: On the site the Track A references have links to pages and documents. [10:41] FabianNeuhaus-1 morphed into FabianNeuhaus [10:42] TimFinin: Here's a question I think we must address: Many big data applications require or invite statistical and probablistic models and reasoning. How can/will be address this? [10:42] anonymous1 morphed into Siew Lam [10:47] PeterYim: @DanBrickley ... yes, I have vnc working on my Macbook-air (I can work with you on it offline) [10:48] PeterYim: @DanBrickley ... your problem (with vnc) may be in your corporate firewall and not the viewer, though [10:48] DanBrickley: thanks PeterYim. For today I'll present slides without seeing what you see. [10:48] TimFinin: Another problem that axioms can introduce is producing inconsistencies ... [10:49] DanBrickley: I'm on home ISP. Can discuss later :) [10:49] DanBrickley: (re global constraints, - yes that's why schema.org property/type associations don't use rdfs:domain + rdfs:range) [10:49] PeterYim: that's perfectly fine ... vnc shared-screen is strictly optional (helps make sure you prompt slide advances, though) [10:49] QuentinReul: and use of axioms makes the separation of concerns (modelling vs. implmentation) and re-use difficult [10:50] AmandaVizedom: @Tim, I agree; many are pursuing statistical *or* ontological reasoning approaches, but few are pursuing the hybrid approaches that seem to have so much potential. The PR-OWL group at GMU have been developing Bayesian + Ontological approaches for years, but I don't know to what extent they have worked with Big Data problems. [10:50] MikeBennett: @Quentin good point, perhaps we can draw this point out in the Track A conversations? [10:52] QuentinReul: @Mike I think that it is an inevitable topic for improving re-use [10:53] QuentinReul: DL is one potential issue, but deep biding to philosophical entities (e.g. DOLCE) is another one [10:54] PeterYim: @TimFinin ... I trust KenBaclawski, (one of) our Track D co-champion(s), should have a lot (knowledge and connections) to bring to the table in those aspects [10:55] MikeBennett: @Quentin quote so. What is most appropriate for an ontology for a given application may work for or against its re-use by someone in another application. Likewise the philosophical commitments need to be consistent, or frameable within some broader, consistent set of partitions / theories. [10:55] AnatolyLevenchuk: @Tim, Amanda: it can be good to know about "hybrid" methods. E.g. usual statistical data is in arrays/tables. How we can help with triples and ontologies?! Or we have deep learning that not look like too far from ontology (features) discovery but not look too close the same time. [10:57] QuentinReul: @Mike Have you heard about "Just Enough" Ontology Engineering (http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1108/1108.1488.pdf). Although an interesting paper, it lacks guidelines on tools / mechanisms to dissiminate the model and thus increase re-use [10:59] MikeBennett: @Quentin I have not. We should look into this as part of our deliberations. [10:59] MikeBennett: Apologies, have to drop off now. [11:00] anonymous morphed into Sub [11:00] QuentinReul: I also have to drop off [11:01] EdBernot: Sorry, I too have to drop off. Great session, thanks! [11:05] DanBrickley: shortest talk yet? [11:05] DanBrickley: I was tempted to give a Google perspective, but will do that later, with datasets/APIs and other materials. [11:05] AmandaVizedom: @Dan, you must have lightening talk experience. :-) [11:07] MarciaZeng: @DanBrickley: What will Schema.org's role in relation to this Summit's theme? [11:08] DanBrickley: We used to do a lot of lightning talk sessions at W3C in the RDF Interest Group, yes :) [11:10] DanBrickley: Re schema.org, I'll put together some materials. It is a little difficult for teams who don't have a complete Web crawl since the data is scattered over 5+ million sites, but there are some possibilities. It might be particularly interesting for the 'variety' problem. [11:10] AmandaVizedom: [amused by my own typo. perhaps "lightening" is some mix of "lightning" and "enlightening." ;-)] [11:11] DanBrickley: Do you think this could be useful? here is a Google custom search - https://www.google.com/cse/publicurl?cx=003736913799082383568:8pkugzvixsw - over (200 or so) sites that use the type http://schema.org/Museum [11:11] MarciaZeng: @Dan, thanks for the answer. [11:11] DanBrickley: (Easy to make such engines for any schema.org type) [11:13] MarciaZeng: @Dan, I think it is useful. A way to 'filter in' first. [11:14] MichaelGruninger: @QuentinReul: I didn't quite get your point -- are you saying that axioms make reuse difficult?! [11:14] Eric Stephan: Thank you! Sorry I have to drop off early. [11:15] MarciaZeng: @Dan, we found Google Image kind of search very useful for cultural heritage related sources. That is a kind of typed search. [11:16] LeoObrst: @All: we are looking for additional co-champions for some of the tracks, including Track D: Tackling the Variety Problem in Big Data, Team R: Public Relations, and Team M: Program Management (includes operations, logistics, production). So please consider these if you'd like to have greater input into this Ontology Summit. [11:17] OliverKutz: trying [11:20] MarciaZeng: Have to drop off now. Thanks a lot! [11:25] TimFinin: I think an OntologySummit Facebook group or page would be a good way to get announcements and reminders to the participants and wider community [11:27] SimonSpero requests a private chat with you [11:28] SimonSpero: @PeterYim: I can help on getting the semantic wiki instance going [11:28] AmandaVizedom: Tweeting has begun using #ontologysummit2012 [11:28] KenBaclawski: @TimFinin: Regarding your earlier questions, these issues would fit in Track D. I have examined these issues in the past, and it would be good to try dealing with them in the context of Big Data. [11:29] Ram D. Sriram: I need leave right now. Tim will be giving the Symposium Chair remarks. [11:29] AmandaVizedom: Typo! #ontologysummit2014! [11:29] Ram D. Sriram: I need to leave right now. Tim Finin will be giving the Symposium Co-chair remarks. [11:30] AmandaVizedom: I have also started using the #ontologysummit2014 hashtag on Google+, though I may be the only one so far. [11:31] ChristineKapp: Thank you Peter I have emailed you a question about Program Management and administrivia - I need to drop now thank you very much [11:33] TimFinin: The #ontologysummit2014 tag uses up 1/2 a tweet! How about something shorter, e.g. #ontosum [11:35] AmandaVizedom: @Tim, indeed, I have been saying so for a couple of years, to no consensus. Perhaps we can make that suggestion and try to get sufficient agreement via the mailing list. [11:39] FrankLoebe: @Amanda: You may consider a vote on the hashtag within this chatroom, for immediate feedback from the current audience. But perhaps this does not include everyone intended. [11:39] Les Morgan: Does the project have a Google+ presence? Many tech folk would follow it there. [11:40] AmandaVizedom: @Frank, not a bad idea. I'd say that would be in the domain of the PR team. Peter? [11:40] Les Morgan: I already circulated an item about the Summit there and got a few nibbles. [11:40] PavithraKenjige : Ican volunteer for Big Data [11:40] PeterYim: if you are not subscribed to the [ontology-summit] mailing list yet, please do so - http://ontolog.cim3.net/mailman/listinfo/ontology-summit (or drop me a line - peter.yim [at] cim3.com) [11:40] PavithraKenjige : and for Program management too [11:41] PeterYim: Please mark you calendars and reserve this time, every Thursday, for the OntologySummit2014 virtualpanel session series. Session-02 will be up next Thursday- Thu 2014.01.23 (same time) - see developing details at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2014_01_23 [11:41] PeterYim: Reminder to those in the organizing committee, our 4th meeting coming up tomorrow - Fri 2014.01.17 - see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2014/GettingOrganized#nid43OH [11:41] PavithraKenjige : bye [11:41] MatthewLange1: @Leo and @Peter I am interested in helping w PR [11:41] LeoObrst: Thanks, all! [11:41] PeterYim: -- session ended: 11:41am PST -- [11:42] FrancescaQuattri: Thank you All, great presentations! [11:42] PeterYim: @MatthewLange ... great! ... come to our organizing committee meeting tomorrow, and we cam talk more about it - details at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2014/GettingOrganized#nid43OH [11:47] MatthewLange1: @PeterYim OK--expect me to be late though, that is school drop-off time out here on the left coast [11:52] PeterYim: @MatthewLange - not a problem, log into the chat-room, and grab our attention, once you are able to join the call [11:43] List of attendees: AdamShepherd, AleksandraSojic, AmandaVizedom, AnatolyLevenchuk, AndreaWesterinen, Anne Thessen, Barry Smith, BiplabSarker, BobbinTeegarden, BruceSpencer, CarmenChui, Christine Kapp, ChristineKapp, ChristophLange, Dan Carey, Dan Gant, Dan McShan, DanBrickley, DanBrickley1, DanielMcShan, Dennis Wisnosky, DennisPierson, DennisPierson1, EarlGlynn, EdBernot, ElieAbiLahoud, Emanuele, Emanuele1, Eric Stephan, FabianNeuhaus, FabianNeuhaus-1, Fran Lightsom, FrancescaQuattri, Frank Olken, FrankLoebe, Gary Berg-Cross, Harold Boley, JensOrtmann, Joel Sachs, JoelBender, JoelSachs, John Yanosy, JohnMcClure, JonathanBona, Juan Gomez-Romero, JuanGomezRomero, JulienCorman, KenAllgood, KenAllgood1, KenBaclawski, Krzysztof Janowicz, LamarHenderson, LeoObrst, Les Morgan, Liana Kiff, LianaKiff, LynneBaer, MarciaZeng, Marwan Ghabin, Matthew West, MatthewLange, MatthewLange1, MatthewWest, MeganKatsumi, MichaelGruninger, MichaelRiben, MikeBennett, MikeDean, Natalie Meyers, OliverKutz, PavithraKenjige, PavithraKenjige , PeterYim, QuentinReul, Ram D. Sriram, RexBrooks, Rishi, RobinMcEntire, ScottHills, SergeMaslyukov, Siew Lam, SimonSpero, Simona, SteveRay, Sub, Sunday Ojo, Sunday Ojo1, TerryLongstreth, TimFinin, ToddSchneider, ToddSchneider1, ToddSchneider2, TomTinsley, TomTinsley1, TomTinsley10, TomTinsley11, TomTinsley12, TomTinsley13, TomTinsley2, TomTinsley3, TomTinsley4, TomTinsley5, TomTinsley6, TomTinsley7, TomTinsley8, TomTinsley9, Tony Seale, Veruska Zamborlini, VictorAgroskin, Zhili, anonymous, anonymous1, anonymous2, anonymous3, anonymous4, anonymous5, anonymous6, lamarhenderson, lamarhenderson1, uams-dbmi, vnc2, wtm, wtm1 ------