msd/ppy/survey-website_notes_20130222a.txt

Welcome to the

 = OntologySummit2013 Survey & Website Team Meeting - Fri 2013.02.22 =

Conference call details:

* Date / Start time: Friday 2013.01.25 - starting 6:00am PST / 9:00am EST / 11:00am ART / 3:00pm CET / 14:00 GMT/UTC
** Expected Duration: ~1.5 Hrs.	(3L8C)

* Dial-in:
** Skype: joinconference ... PIN: 141184# , or
** Phone (US): +1 (206) 402-0100 ... PIN: 141184#

* In-session chat-space: http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/summit_20130222

* session page: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2013_Software_Environments_For_Evaluating_Ontologies_CommunityInput#nid3N8H 

Attendees: MikeDenny (chair), KenBaclawski, SimonSpero, AmandaVizedom, MarcelaVegetti, AliHashemi, PeterYim

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 == Proceedings: ==

.Welcome all! 

This is a comparison table on certain well known mediawiki site:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_relational_database_management_systems
Notice the red/green boxes. 

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Anonymous User 1: hello
amanda.vizedom: Who is Anon?
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sesuncedu: got it
amanda.vizedom: Question: Is it correct that the survey targets only tool providers, not tool users?
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amanda.vizedom: [I am just entering thoughts/questions here to get them on the record, to be addressed whenever appropriate.]
sesuncedu: http://project.cim3.net/survey/index.php?sid=71659&newtest=Y&lang=en
amanda.vizedom: Question2: If the primary (or only) respondents are tool providers, are there any checks on the honesty (vs sales pitch) of their answers?
sesuncedu: http://project.cim3.net/survey/index.php?sid=71659&newtest=Y&lang=en
amanda.vizedom: ajvComment1: Trade-)off issue: The questions (as phrased in Ken's prototype) are nicely binary, but responses may not very meaningful because the need for interpretation is so broad that yesses may not be comparable.
sesuncedu: http://project.cim3.net/survey/index.php?sid=71659&lang=en
Anonymous User 1: the first link posted worked for me too
amanda.vizedom: I am having trouble understanding Mike (high background noise and clipping)
me: I have no problem with the voice quality ... has things improved now?
amanda.vizedom: ajvComment2: @Simon +1. Tool providers have a lot of room to interpret the questions to fit their tools. No dishonest intent even needed, just natural interpretive bias. So I'm not sure how much we'd learn, without more specificity. On the other hand, it may be that the chunking by phase doesn't give us much, so we could simplify more.
[I am muted and chatting rather than talking, because my background noise is currently high.]
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amanda.vizedom: Anon User: Is this Ali?
(guessing by process of elimination)
me: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2013_Software_Environments_For_Evaluating_Ontologies_CommunityInput#nid3N8W
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sesuncedu: http://ontolog-02.cim3.net/wiki/OntologySummit2013_Survey_Prototype_Untabbed
amanda.vizedom: ajvComment3: I have not comment about medium, since it is not really so complex as to need the LimeSurvey-specific features. I'm just not sure that collecting answers to these questions from tool providers will really give much meaningful info.
mvegetti: I'm having problems with the audio quality
Peter: @Marcela - can you try to dial-in again, to see if you might get a better quality connection? (I have no quality problem with the voice here)
Peter: @Amanda - Thanks - great link (to the comparison table sample) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_relational_database_management_systems
amanda.vizedom: @Peter - link was not from me. From Simon, perhaps?
Peter: Thank you, Simon
amanda.vizedom: @ajvComment4: Repeating what I said on call: Example of potential non-comparability of answers: Two tool providers could answer "Yes" to "Assess or characterize depth/detail of domain coverage of an ontology;" one might mean "count node depth and branching" while the other might mean "use lexical ontology elements and domain corpus, perform NLP-based indexing of corpus and interpret this as a percentage estimate of how much of domain is covered by ontology."
ajvComment5: One possible alternative: ditch phases for now (may not mean something clear or consistent to respondent and may not get us much now); use the broad capability clusters Mike has identified as a way of chunking questions into groups, and ask some more specific capability questions within those groups.
Anonymous User 2: i have got to run to another meeting. promising session!
bye!
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amanda.vizedom: ajvComment6: If no statistical analysis is really going to be wanted or possible, then the capabilities of a specific survey tool might not be so important.
Peter: I suggest a two phase process - (I) use LimeSurvey as a front end, pose a very simple survey first; then (II) use the PSMW as the registry, and the place where tool providers will continue to maintain their tools' information ... the challenge is, of course, the transfer of collected info from (I) to (II)
we should be looking at two project: (A) our survey project - to produce a table on the collection of software tools, and (B) a candidate "hackathon" project where we can slide-and-dice the data collected
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amanda.vizedom: I need to run, all.
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Simon: look at this alternate layout on LimeSurvey
http://project.cim3.net/survey/index.php?sid=71659&newtest=Y&lang=en

Marcela: SMW prototype http://osseries.referata.com/wiki/OntologySummit_2013

… also, the ontology: http://osseries.referata.com/w/images/Schema2.pdf 

KenBaclawski: consider using this image on our site :)  http://www.infed.org/images/scenes/office_of_mayhem_evaluation_xiaming_78385893_cc2.jpg