ppy/OntologySummit2013_Hackathon-Clinics_chat-transcript_edited_20130319b.txt ------ Chat transcript from room: summit_20130319 2013-03-19 GMT-08:00 [PDT] ------ [8:57] PeterYim: Welcome to the = OntologySummit2013 Hackathon-Clinics Contributors ConfCall (n.05) - Tue 2013.03.19 = Date: Tue 2013.03.19 Start time: 9:00am PDT / 12:00pm EDT / 1:00pm ART / 5:00pm CET / 16:00 GMT/UTC * worldclock - http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=3&day=19&year=2013&hour=9&min=0&sec=0&p1=224 Expected duration: 1.5-Hrs * Dial-in: ** Phone: +1 (206) 402-0100 - PIN: 141184# ** Skype: "joinconference" - PIN: 141184# * in-session chat: http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/summit_20130319 * session workspace/page: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2013_Software_Environments_For_Evaluating_Ontologies_CommunityInput#nid3OQ0 * Expecting: all leads of submitted hackathon-clinic projects; all independent contributors who have signed up (optional) all OntologySummit2013 organizing committee members, invitees, and all who are interested or considering to participate ... this meeting is open to all (as observers). == Agenda == * collaboratively align and tweak the projects and the teams, so we pare the number down to a few very interesting projects to work on, during the (community picked) Hackathon-Clinics weekends. * picking the dates of the Hackathon-Clinics weekend(s) and scheduling projects to those dates * prepare for the Thu 2013.03.28 - session-11 - Getting the "hackathon," "clinics" and related activities going virtual session * discussing next steps on rolling out the OntologySummit2013 Hackathon-Clinics; * any other business Attendees: MikeDean (co-chair), KenBaclawski (co-chair), PeterYim (scribe), AliHashemi, AmandaVizedom, AnatolyLevenchuk, AstridDuqueRamos, BrandNiemann, JoelBender, KenBaclawski, MarcelaVegetti, MariCarmenSuarezFigueroa, MariaPoveda, MichaelGruninger, MikeDean, OliverKutz, TillMossakowski, YuriyMilov, anonymous . == Proceedings == . [8:42] Astrid morphed into AstridDuqueRanmos [8:58] PeterYim: Can you hear us, Astrid? [9:00] AstridDuqueRanmos: Hello, now yes. [9:00] JoelBender: @peter : the noise from your voice is pretty bad [9:01] MariaPoveda: @peter, I didn't understand you [9:01] AmandaVizedom: Noise level is quite extreme [9:02] MariCarmenSuarezFigueroa: here the noise is also very high.... [9:02] OliverKutz: Yes, for me zero information flow, just noise [9:03] AmandaVizedom: Same here, Oliver [9:02] anonymous morphed into BrandNiemann [9:02] AstridDuqueRanmos: I don't understand [9:03] PeterYim: @Maria - I was just wondering whether the background noise or crosstalk came from your line ... but don't worry, looks like we will have to nute everyone, and only open the line for whoever is speaking [9:03] MariaPoveda: ok [9:03] MariaPoveda: there is also noise here but I can't do a thing :( [9:03] MichaelGruninger: Perhaps this is new experimental music that has replaced the usual muzak :-) [9:04] OliverKutz: and Peter wants to nuke everyone [9:04] JoelBender: bombs away [9:04] PeterYim: Attn all: *7 to un-mute and *6 to go back to mute [9:00] PeterYim: please refer to Hackathon_Clinics page at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2013_Hackathon_Clinics [9:06] MikeDean: Some suggested hackathon selection criteria: 1) Relevance to the Ontology Summit 2013 theme: ontology evaluation 2) Can produce a meaningful product in a day or weekend 3) Involves multiple groups, particularly folks not involved in multiple proposals [9:08] MikeDean: Recommendations: 1) Merge H1, H2, and maybe A1 into an Application Clinic 2) At least start H5 with an Application Clinic 3) Merge O4 into O3 [9:20] PeterYim: H5 BACnet is now A3 [9:19] AmandaVizedom: Joel, I confess that I am not consistently clear on the framing of the three different types of events; My proposal (A2), for example, includes both development and evaluation steps, so it's a bit fuzzy. I'm deferring to the H&C Lead Trio's divisions, as it is to some extent a matter of what best facilitates their organizing activities. [9:22] PeterYim: A2. is now H8. Develop an Ontology of 'Ontology Evaluation' [9:21] AmandaVizedom: Works for me. [9:21] AstridDuqueRanmos: I think it would be fine to merge Q4 into Q3 however, maybe the proposal would be changed for Validation and application of OQuaRE. [9:27] AstridDuqueRanmos: I think is good but due to the our proposed is the validation of OQuaRE, i think we could make a first validation and the we could apply OQuaRE to the FIBO [9:28] PeterYim: [action] all selected proposals ... please resubmit an updated project document (with similar content, but tweaked, as the proposal format) [9:28] AmandaVizedom: Interest on part of those involved in something already may depend on schedule decisions. [9:33] MikeDean: Perhaps have one GOEF Application Clinic and let the participants decide the balance between the tool and the I-Choose application/use case [9:40] AmandaVizedom: @Mike, I *think* that I remember Joanne saying that they were wanting? planning? to use GOEF for I-Choose? [9:46] MikeDean: @Amanda, Yes, that's what I understood also [9:37] MikeDean: H1/H2 and A1 seem to have communities that overlap, but not completely [9:36] PeterYim: H3 OOR-KEEPER to be taken off the Hackathon schedule ... but it will be great if that work can be done prior to the hackathon date(s), as it will feed well into the Ontohub-OOR-OOPS! Integration exercise [9:40] KenBaclawski: we won't be able to complete the OOR-KEEPER work before the hackathon [9:36] TillMossakowski: is there a link to KEEPER? [9:53] KenBaclawski: @Till: Here is a link to a presentation on KEEPER: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/kenb/pub/2010/27/public.pdf [10:25] TillMossakowski: @Ken: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/kenb/pub/2010/27/public.pdf does not even mention KEEPER. A prototpye is mentioned there, is this the KEEPER prototype? [10:28] KenBaclawski: @Till: Yes, the prototype was later named KEEPER. [9:40] KenBaclawski: This is the link to the Use Cases for OOR: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/kenb/ontologies/oor-usecase.xml [9:41] KenBaclawski: This is the link to the Use Case Description Ontology: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/kenb/ontologies/oor-usecase.xml [9:47] MichaelGruninger: Sorry, but I need to leave in 10 minutes. I just wanted to say that since all of the participating ontology evaluation tools require OWL ontologies and that there do not appear to be any projects with ontologies that are not axiomatized in OWL (i.e. that require Common Logic axiomatizations), it looks like it doesn't make much sense for COLORE to be part of the Ontology Clinic. [9:50] AmandaVizedom: @Michael - it's very possible that A2-H8 will be formalized in Common Logic, but I don't know that yet. I think that portions of the content do call for axiomitizations better done in a rule-friendly language, but will make decision with, and based partly on skills of, volunteers... if we went that direction, running it through COLORE's evaluations could be good. [9:55] MichaelGruninger: @Amanda: that's possible, but it does seem to be a little bit of a stretch. [10:01] AmandaVizedom: @Michael, granted. And currently unknown. [10:05] MichaelGruninger: I need to go now, but see my statement at 12:47 EDT [10:07] PeterYim: @Michael - noted. Thanks [9:45] MikeDean: == ref. 3) Merge O4 into O3 [9:45] MariaPoveda: we just released our OOPS! RESTful webservices - see: http://oops-ws.oeg-upm.net/ [9:48] PeterYim: see Maria's OOPS! RESTful webservices announcement today at: http://protege-ontology-editor-knowledge-acquisition-system.136.n4.nabble.com/Announcement-OOPS-RESTFul-Web-Services-available-now-td4657514.html [9:49] PeterYim: @Maria - please post your announcement to the [ontolog-dev] list too (for archival purposes) [9:49] MariaPoveda: I can't find it :( [9:49] MariaPoveda: I think I send it to ontolog-dev too [9:50] PeterYim: @Maria - let me check ... [9:50] MariaPoveda: Apparently not, which is the email list? [9:50] MariaPoveda: it was oor-dev, sorry [9:51] MariCarmenSuarezFigueroa: I've already sent the OOPS restful web services announcement to the ontolog-dev list. [9:52] PeterYim: Thanks Mari Carmen [9:53] PeterYim: @Maria - I found your post to oor-dev (it was stuck because you weren't subscribed there) I have released it now. Will subscribe you to the list later [action: ppy] [9:55] AstridDuqueRanmos: Yes I think we can try to integrate OQuaRE. [9:56] PeterYim: @Astrid - fantastic ... [attn: Till] let's recast the proposal to "Ontohub-OOR and OOPS!/OQuaRE Integration" [9:57] AstridDuqueRanmos: I'm not sure if it is possible, because we are still developing the tool but it is not finished yet [9:58] PeterYim: H5 now becomes A3 BACnet ... and we look forward to starting the work here, and continuing it at the "Ontology-based Standards" initiative [10:00] YuriyMilov: sorry you are not hearing me ... ok now [9:47] YuriyMilov: Here is the link to the H7 (I guess) http://www.ddtor.com/ - it's already prepared for the ontology estimation via "bio-paradigm" (natural competition and surviving the bests) [10:00] PeterYim: H6. OntologySummit2013 Content Hack - we'll have OntologySummit content and OntologySummit2013_Survey content for the participant to work on ... we will try to engage folks from the semantic mediawiki community as well, if we can [10:08] MariCarmenSuarezFigueroa: I'm so sorry, but I have to leave now the conference. Regarding the proposals in the Ontology Clinic Part, as I already mentioned I'm very interesting on O2 and O3. Today I've accepted Astrid's invitation to participate also in O4. I will read the notes tomorrow.... Thank you! [10:15] BrandNiemann: Thank you, very helpful to my work. I have another meeting to attend. [10:19] AmandaVizedom: Bad connection [10:19] AmandaVizedom: ok - Ali has volunteered [10:19] AmandaVizedom: I just got dropped from call [10:19] AmandaVizedom: calling again [10:20] MikeDean: in conclusion ... [10:09] PeterYim: ref Michael's comment - O1 will not be included [10:08] PeterYim: H2 and H7 will be subject to people volunteering to participate [10:23] PeterYim: we have consolidated the projects to 7: H4-Ontohub-OOR-OOPS!-OQuaRE; H6-OSummit-content-hack; H8-Ontology-of-OntologyEvaluation; O2-15926-ref-data-validation; O3(+O4)-FIBO-Clinic; A1(+H1+H2)-GOEF-I-Choose; A3-BACnet ... will TillMossakowski(H4), KenBaclawski(H6), AmandaVizedom(H8), VictorAgroskin(O2), MikeBennett(O3), JoanneLuciano(A1) and JoelBender(A3) please update your project documents and send them in within this week (by Friday 3/22 if you please.) [10:31] PeterYim: for the 3/28 session - after overview by Mike-Ken-Peter, the 7 project champions will do a short presentation (~8 min, ~3 slides) on their projects ... [action] project point-persons, please be prepared to present on 3/28 [10:25] AmandaVizedom: We noted potential for PSMW (H6) to use output of H8. We will discuss further, including consideration of representation requirements for website use and how that might constrain or filter ontology project. [10:27] PeterYim: project doc can be on wiki, [ontology-summit] mailing list ... and please also send in a pdf for the archives [10:27] PeterYim: Hackathon-Clinics Weekends: Candidate-1: Sat(-Sun) 2013.03.30~31 Candidate-2: Sat(-Sun) 2013.04.06~07 Candidate-3: Sat(-Sun) 2013.04.13~14 [10:33] PeterYim: please assume that each project will take up one day (the Saturday will be the main event day, the Sunday will be the extension date, if the team wants to spend more time finishing up.) ... please advise your black-out dates, preferred dates, etc. [10:28] AmandaVizedom: Second weekend is out for me, due to Communique draft due that week. [10:28] MariaPoveda: I'd would rather H4 not to be the in Candidate 2 [10:28] JoelBender: I have a number of people (both Ontolog folks and people from the BACnet community) that are going to help with A3, and I can schedule them and host webinars on a separate schedule [10:28] AnatolyLevenchuk: O2 cannot be Candidate3 (multiple participants will be absent). [10:28] TillMossakowski: My preferred dates would be Sat on the first or third weekend. [10:29] AstridDuqueRanmos: I'm not going to be able to do it on Sunday 2013.03.31 [10:30] MariaPoveda: @Till, good, we have the same restriction :) [10:30] TillMossakowski: yes, but I still need to ask my programmers... [10:31] AmandaVizedom: April 13-14 is best for me (H8-A2); March 30-31 is less good but possible; April 6-7 is not feasible. [10:31] MarcelaVegetti: I'm not going to be able at candidate 1 weekend nor in sat 2013.4.13 [10:31] JoelBender: Thank you! [10:31] MariaPoveda: thank you [10:32] MarcelaVegetti: bye [10:32] MariaPoveda: I can not wait until next Thursday to set other appointments, so second candidate weekend I'll be not available [10:38] PeterYim: I will try to harmonize the schedule, and post a proposed hackathon-clinics calendar for everyone on the [ontology-summit] list to review and adopt [10:34] PeterYim: -- session ended: 10:32am PDT -- ------