chat-transcript_20100316c_unedited.txt anonymous morphed into DeborahMacPherson PavithraKenjige: The point here is, Oncologists needs to have subject matter expertise, law, policy, standards awareness in that Subject as well.. anonymous morphed into BruceBray RexBrooks: @Barry: UCore is becoming important for the domain of Emergency Management, so you can expect to hear from me about this. PeterYim: . Welcome to Day-2 of the OntologySummit2010: March 15~16, 2010 Symposium (Face-to-Face Workshop) (22Q7) Theme: Ontology Summit 2010: Creating the Ontologists of the Future (2861) 5th in the series of a 3-month annual event by and for the Ontology Community. This Summit is co-organized by Ontolog, NIST, NCOR, NCBO & IAOA (2992) * Co-chairs: Dr. SteveRay & Professor BarrySmith Please refer to agenda, dial-in and other details on the session page at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2010_Symposium . RexBrooks: @Barry: I had to laugh that some MITRE folks were lining up to use you as a shooting gallery. Be ready to duck! There are others who would likely support you. UCore is actually useful UICDS is the fly in the ointment, unless you want your national security left open to RSS and peer to peer distribution of vital communications. Simon Spero: Time on OWL: http://linkedevents.org/ontology/ Simon Spero: This is also a very interesting course web site: http://www.infomuse.net/520/ Simon Spero: (UNC ILS520 / Spring2009) Simon Spero: Also: Does ucore 2.0/SL have any properties apart from annotations? Simon Spero: The whole UK government is going OWL crazy RexBrooks: @Barry: Will your work on UCore SL be published? Where? Simon Spero: Rex: Some stuff at OCI09 Simon Spero: Rex: http://c4i.gmu.edu/OIC09/papers/OIC2009_5_SmithEtAll.pdf Gary Berg-Cross: Barry, can you tell people how they might "register" for the UCORE training? RexBrooks: Jeff: Are you aware of the new group for Human Interoperability enterprise with Dr. Aaron Budgor in the Network Centric Operations Industry consortium? Your study would be helpful there. RexBrooks: thanks Simon! Simon Spero: Also: C5I? Dear Navy - can we agree to stop adding 'C's? RexBrooks: Network Centric Operations Industry Consortium (NCOIC) http://www.ncoic.org anonymous1 morphed into JeffreyAbbott JeffreyAbbott: Rex, thanks for the info and link. I will follow up. Simon Spero: (Psychometry): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychometrics ; Learned Society - http://www.psychometrika.org/ ; UNC Thurstone Lab http://www.unc.edu/depts/quantpsy/thurstone/ BruceBray: Who is talking now? MikeBennett: This is John Sowa speaking now I believe PavithraKenjige: All the conceptual information is documented and maintained as Enterprise Architecture.. PavithraKenjige: I am not sure why everyone keep saying throw away MikeBennett: Indeed, it should be possible (is possible) to revcerse engineer existing resources into ontology, and make it a formal control document from the business end, within the development lifecycle BruceBray: what is the gotomeeting link? MikeBennett: What's the Meeting ID (9 digits) for the GoToMeeting? MikeBennett: Site is www.gotomeeting.com MikeBennett: Or if it's on the Wiki then which page? Agenda? MikeBennett: Or just shouit it out? Gary Berg-Cross: On the issue of "all conceptual information" being maintained in/as an Enterprise Architecture (EA), I often find that that these are not updated on a timetly basis to reflect changes to DB content. EAs use reional data models and latoften treat data models in a federated sense and do no resolve issues needed to support robust interoperability. PavithraKenjige: what is the meeting meeting id? PeterYim: Robert Coyne of TopQuadrant is presenting - shared screen link: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2010_Symposium#nid2C5A MikeBennett: Anyone else unable to get the goToMeeting to work? I use it every week in our own work so maybe I've confused it. AmandaVizedom: For those having trouble reading from the GoToMeeting, here are some direct links. TQ's training overview home: http://www.topquadrant.com/training/training_overview.html AmandaVizedom: pdf of the Curriculum overview slide being shown: http://www.topquadrant.com/docs/marcom/TopQuadrant_Curriculum_Flyer.pdf MikeBennett: Scratch that, must have been my setup. Thanks for the link RaviSharma: Fabian says: future research is not covered by the communique RaviSharma: Ravi thinks a sentence stating that there are many unresoved and future research areas - in communique -that these areas are good candidates fr Graduate School level curiculae or topics of reseach leading to Ph.D. or M.S. AmandaVizedom: Clarification: When my team acquired the TBSuite, we set up a training event that was in part based on the standard TQ training, but more oriented toward getting all of us familiar with the tools. What Robert says about purpose-specificity is relevant; our project has some important overlaps with what TQ does at NASA that make the tools a good fit. But what we are doing is different in application and methodology, so we needed to do some modification. AmandaVizedom: When we had another group of new folks needing training, we ended up designing a new course with one of our senior folks leading on ontology fundamentals and a TQ person complementing with the tools portion. MikeBennett: @Amanda I can relate to that. the TQ suite is an excellent tool suite but when I got them to talk to a client for a "basic" introduction they client found it so technical as to be disorienting. I think there are prerequisites to being able to follow the tool stuff, which is excellent when understood right. PeterYim: @Gary - ref. your question about the UCore-SL event this Wed (Mar-17) see: http://colab.cim3.net/forum/cuo-wg/2010-02/msg00000.html Gary Berg-Cross: On the UCore-SL event at ANSER Conference Center , 2900 Quincy Street, Arlington, Virginia, Barry says that you can "just show up" since it is too late to register. I'm not sure how many spaces are available, but Barry may provide this. TerryLongstreth: From Dagobert:Here is another take on the introduction, first draft by Dagobert Soergel, revised by Barry Smith I propose to substitute this language. Discussion should be in two parts: 1 the general paragraph 2 should the examples be included Ontology (science) provides the theories and methods for the rigorous construction and analysis of a wide range of knowledge representation systems including data models. It studies how definitions, classifications and relationships should be formulated using the tools of logic and formal semantics, and how ontology artifacts can be created on this basis. These ontologies can serve - improving database organization and mitigating data silo formation, - improving human-human, human-computer, and computer-computer communication (interoperability), - automated reasoning, and simplifying software production and maintenance by capturing declaratively the knowledge that is often implicit in procedural programs.. To give some examples: The Gene Ontology is used by thousands of biologists every day to code the effects of genes in an organism they are studying and compare these effects to what other biologists have found; analyzing the differences leads to discoveries. Ontology-based unification of medical knowledge and patient data promises - improvements in patient care and concomitant reduction of costs through automated suggestion of treatments and much improved communication between health care professionals about the care of the same patient; - improvements in medical research by the use of large databases of anonymized patient data. Ontological analysis has been used to discover inconsistencies in a customer relationship management system Simon Spero: Alternative alternative: Simon Spero: Executive Summary "As governments around the world continue to change the way they think about their information systems, away from isolated systems, none of which can talk to each other, and towards more advanced systems based on the Semantic Web, designed to make it easier for citizens, and the government itself, to join these systems together to build new applications that the designers of the original systems may never have thought of. For example, on the 19th of January, the British Government formally launched http://data.gov.uk/ , a Semantic Web based site developed under the guidance of Sir Tim Berners-Lee. Compared to systems like this, initiatives like the US http://data.gov/ which merely points to unconnected piles of data, look ever more dated. To build these integrated systems, America needs a trained corps of people trained to deal with semantics. Already this lack of trained personnel is causing serious problems for linking vital Intelligence Community systems, with dangerous effects on National Security . If we don't take action to train the people we need, the situation will only get worse." MikeBennett: America? Simon Spero: America likes to give money to things about America Simon Spero: (missing link in cut-and-paste: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/uk_launches_open_data_site_puts_datagov_to_shame.php Simon Spero: An ontologist is something which ontologises. MikeBennett: This Alternative Alternative directly addresses the one context of the Linked Data project, which is important but is surely not the only application for ontology and therefore not the only context in which we are trying to identify the needs for training. PeterYim: to look at the previous communiques - see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit Simon Spero: Mike: once you've got them hooked, then you offer them the Red Pill MikeBennett: It's a big departure from the big picture communique which was circulated last night and which still looks like what I can see at the Communique Draft page (is that the place I should be looking?) Simon Spero: Mike: That's why it's an alternative alternative. It's what I would open with if I wanted the document to be picked up by press MikeBennett: A press release maybe? Simon Spero: Mike: en Français, Press Release == Communiqué de presse RexBrooks: Is there a URL for changes to the Communique in progress? MikeBennett: Meanwhile: I wanted to clarify the language in the paragraph where we refer to Linked Data. I tweeted and got this reply: "#LinkedData Principles" RT @MikeHypercube: How to refer to #linkeddata in documents - as LinkedData movement or project or similar? MikeBennett: @Rex I believe it's the thing at http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2010_Communique/Draft along with change nistory visible at the "view other revisions" button at bottom. RexBrooks: Thanks Mike. MikeBennett: I can't hear most of what's being said though - I could before lunch but maybe the speakers further away were silent. MikeBennett: from twitter @MikeHypercube gr8! Usually when citing, refer to http://linkeddata.org RexBrooks: Problem Solving is a skill that can't be memorized by rote. RexBrooks: Sounds Good. TerryLongstreth: Applied Ontology - A new programming profession TerryLongstreth: I do think somewhere we've lost the heart of the problem, which is one of formulating hypotheses, which is a learned behavior, not a simple skill. Typing is a skill, so is surgery, but knowing what to type or where to cut is an outcome of a deeper educationalprocess PeterYim: @Fabian - Reference should be made to proceedings and communiques from the previous Ontology Summits - see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit RexBrooks: jeery smith has his hand up. RexBrooks: But I don't see him in the list. anonymous2 morphed into jerry smith AmandaVizedom: General comment: I'm quite pleased with the Summary, in content and tone. The findings are important and well-expressed. They may not feel like enough, or news, to some; I believe, however, that the expression of consensus on these point is significant. RexBrooks: Congratulations! MikeBennett: Sorry I got called off on another call. Did you pick up my updates on Linked Data (relayed in the chat above)? MikeBennett: Expecting: remote (2C32) AlexGarcia (remote) (2C33) MikeBennett (remote) (2C34) CoryCasanave (remote) (2C35) AliHashemi (remote) (2C4D) PavithraKenjige (remote) (2C4T) MattHettinger (remote) (2C6W) MikeBennett: THat's for john's session RexBrooks: Must drop off now. thanks All! MikeBennett: So, what was decided vis a vis John's session? AmandaVizedom: @Mike - Just called it to Fabian's attention. He hadn't seen my earlier response re: -"Open" and has now edited. MikeBennett: Thanks Amanda MikeBennett: I asked on Twitter whether "movement" was the right word, and got a response (above) MikeBennett: Is john's session still at 3:45? There was some discussion in the room but I could not hear the outcome. AmandaVizedom: @Mike I don't know about the citation form, whether it will be captured in a reference somewhere. MichelleRaymond: Are we about to hear a presentation on Water or Integrating Ontologies? MikeBennett: @Amanda, yes, I wasn't sure whether it would be appropriate to put the link / citation itself as suggested in the 2nd Tweet, but I wondered whether "Linked Data Movement" wsa how the LD folks referred to themselves, hence I asked, and it isn't AmandaVizedom: Yes, John's session is still at 3:45 officially. There may be some discussion before that, but that's when things will properly start. MikeBennett: Thanks Amanda. I'll hang up the phone now then. MikeBennett: Incidentally the reply I got on LD was "Linked Data Principles" which I don't think really fits the paragraph anyway. So not sure how useful it was but I wanted to get somethign from the horse's mouth AmandaVizedom: Jim is going to through his slides quickly, then go to the other room for his official session, as there may be outside folks coming per schedule. AmandaVizedom: @Mike - np, thanks for doing the outreach / check. PeterYim: The OntologySummit2010 Communique v1.0.0 with the initial list of endorsements is now officially published - see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?action=browse&id=OntologySummit2010_Communique&revision=7 PeterYim: those who are online now, please send in your endorsements, if you please Simon Spero: How will Climate Change affect the habitat of various subspecies of Unicorns? PeterYim: OntologySummit2010_Communique version 1.0.0 with the initial endorsement - it's now at http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?action=browse&id=OntologySummit2010_Communique&revision=9 (officially Rev. 9 = v1.0.0) PeterYim: OntologySummit2010_Symposium has now concluded ... thank you, everyone, for your participation and support