ppy/ontolog_chat-transcript_unedited_20111020a.txt


Chat transcript from room: ontolog_20111020
2011-10-20 GMT-08:00

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[09:22] anonymous morphed into ChristopherSpottiswoode

[09:27] PeterYim: Welcome to the 

= Joint IAOA-OOR-Ontolog "Ontologies and Standards" mini-series: session-1 - Tue 2011_10_20 =

Topic: Introducing the ISO/WD 17347 "OntoIOp" 

Co-chairs: Professor JohnBateman (Bremen University) & Professor MichaelGruninger (University of Toronto) 

Goto session page at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2011_10_20

Mute/Unmute: moderator will mute everyone; raise your hand (with "hand button" at lower right)
             "*3" to unmute yourself; "*2" to go back into mute after you speak

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== Proceedings: ==

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[09:29] ChristophLange: hi, this is ChristophLange. OliverKutz and MichaelGruninger are with me; we will use one phone together, but separate chats

[09:30] PeterYim: we can't hear you guys yet, Lange et al.

[09:32] anonymous morphed into TillMossakowski

[09:34] PeterYim: we cannot hear you, ChristopherSpottiswoode, are you having trouble dialing in?

[09:34] ChristophLange: hi all, we're still figuring out a way of joining (so that you can hear us _and_ all of us can hear you)

[09:34] ChristophLange: seems that each of us will be using his own phone (that is safer but will take some minutes)

[09:35] ChristopherSpottiswoode: I'm here but can't hear anyone.

[09:36] ChristophLange: i'm back in the phone conf

[09:41] PeterYim: Michael ... please speak up

[09:42] PeterYim: @ChristopherSpottiswoode - the session has just started, can you hear us yet?

[09:48] AliHashemi: Her voice is very faint for me. I can barely hear.

[09:48] AliHashemi: (Better now)

[09:57] anonymous morphed into Tim Boland

[10:13] anonymous morphed into ChristopherSpottiswoode

[10:31] PeterYim: we are on slide#10 now

[10:31] anonymous morphed into FabianNeuhaus

[10:34] PeterYim: @ChristophLange - ref. your comment on access to working draft(s) ... please elaborate on how that would work, for onotio-wg members, and the wider ontology community

[10:36] PeterYim: @ChristophLange - don't worry about answering now, I am (and encouraged for others too) just capturing question while you are presenting, so we can address them later, during the Q&A and discussion segment

[10:36] anonymous: @PeterYim: I have just seen your question... Yes all's fine, thanks!

[10:37] PeterYim: "anonymous" - who is this?

[10:38] PeterYim: slide#12 now

[10:40] PeterYim: moving on ...

[10:40] AliHashemi: question for later, re slide 7: where would SWRL (and the other rule formalisms) be located on the graphic in slide 7?

[10:41] AliHashemi: related to it, are there plans underway to include them as conforming logics

[10:42] MatthewWest: I'm afraid I have to leave. interesting session.

[10:42] PeterYim: thank you fro coming, Matthew ... ttyl

[10:43] TillMossakowski: actually, we have not looked closer into rule formalism yet, but this is the next thing we want to do

[10:43] MichaelGruninger: @AliHashemi: SWRL with monotonic semantics is a subset of FOL. Technically, SWRL is an extension of OWL (i.e. it specifies that SWRL atoms are equivalent to OWL classes and roles).

[10:45] AliHashemi: (well same question for RIF which contains extra-logical bits)

[10:45] anonymous: @PeterYim: (CS here) ... except that I'm now continually being anonymized.

[10:46] anonymous morphed into ChristopherSpottiswoode

[10:47] JoelBender: @SteveRay: are you involved in this effort?

[10:47] MichaelGruninger: @AliHashemi: Can you give additional examples of "extra-logical bits"?

[10:50] AliHashemi: I should be clear by what I mean by "extra-logic" - take the URD dialect for example

[10:51] AliHashemi: (http://c4i.gmu.edu/ursw/2008/papers/URSW2008_F9_ZhaoBoley.pdf)

[10:51] PeterYim: [action] - to get process in place to allow more people to contribute and provide feedback during the working draft phase

[10:51] PeterYim: please speak up, Fabian

[10:55] SteveRay: No comment at this point.

[10:56] MikeBennett: I have to go now - thanks for great presentations and I'll be following this work with interest.

[11:01] SteveRay: Interested in who is leading the IDIOM project.

[11:02] ChristophLange: link to Michael's examples: http://interop.cim3.net/file/work/OntoIOp/Ontologies/

[11:03] PeterYim: @AliHashemi: repeating your link: http://c4i.gmu.edu/ursw/2008/papers/URSW2008_F9_ZhaoBoley.pdf (what's above returns a 404 error because of the extra ")" at the end

[11:03] ChristophLange: link to the e-mail thread discussing these examples: http://interop.cim3.net/forum/ontoiop-wg/2011-10/msg00086.html

[11:03] SteveRay: My team has translated the entire ASHRAE SPC201P into OWL and is grinding through it, looking for overlaps, duplications, inconsistencies.

[11:04] MichaelGruninger: David Price, David Leal, and Allison Barnard Feeney are actually the editors of the IDIOM document that I have.

[11:04] SteveRay: Excellent! Thanks.

[11:07] JoelBender: I am involved in ASHRAE/NEMA SPC 201P, under the auspices of NIST, developing a model for information transfer between facilities and a national smart grid. One of the stickier problems is the mapping of "space", "time", "measure" - specifically the terminology as published by NOAA (OpenGIS), WS-Calendar (OASIS), IEC 61850, and semantic sensor networks (W3C), and units of measure (OASIS - eventually). Any help out of DOL would be appreciated!

[11:08] AliHashemi: http://www.w3.org/Submission/SWRL/

[11:08] AliHashemi: http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/RIF_Working_Group

[11:09] AliHashemi: http://www.w3.org/TR/wsdl

[11:10] JoelBender: Here is another project, which is more taxonomy rather than ontology, http://project-haystack.org/ - I don't think the information is available in a formal notation

[11:11] ChristophLange: @JoelBender: Could you also provide some links to the space/time/measure terminologies/ontologies?

[11:11] TerryLongstreth: Is Sue Ellen's preso on the wiki yet?

[11:11] JohnBateman: @Terry: the slides are there...

[11:12] PeterYim: MichaelGruninger - join us at the next session of this "Ontologies and Standards" mini-series - developing details at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2011_11_03

[11:12] PeterYim: Great session!

[11:12] JoelBender: Thank you (good to "see" you again Peter :-)

[11:12] PeterYim: - session ended: 11:11am PDT

[11:13] PeterYim: @Joel yes - glad you are here!

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