ppy/EarthScienceOntolog-s03_chat-transcript_unedited_20121011a.txt --------- Chat transcript from room: ontolog_20121011 2012-10-11 GMT-08:00 [time-stamps in PDT] --------- [08:09] anonymous morphed into Daniela [09:39] anonymous1 morphed into David Valentine, USCD/SDSC [09:45] anonymous1 morphed into RobertDowns [09:50] PeterYim: Welcome to the = EarthScienceOntolog: Panel Session-3 - Thu 2012-10-11 = Mini-Series Theme: An Earth Science Ontology Dialog ("EarthScienceOntolog") Session Topic: Heterogeneity-preserving Data Interoperability: Methods and Challenges Session Co-chairs: Professor KrzysztofJanowicz and Professor PascalHitzler Panelists: * Dr. SimonScheider - "What does it take to interoperate? Semantic interoperability revisited in terms of human digital communication" * Dr. PrateekJain - "Ontology matching and Data Interoperability using community generate data" * Mr. BenjaminAdams - "Semantic Similarity Measurement for Geo-Ontologies" * Professor GiancarloGuizzardi - "Formal Ontology, Ontological (Anti-)Patterns and Model Simulation" Logistics: * Refer to details on session page at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2012_10_11 * (if you haven't already done so) please click on "settings" (top center) and morph from "anonymous" to your RealName * Mute control: *7 to un-mute ... *6 to mute * Can't find Skype Dial pad? ** for Windows Skype users: Can't find Skype Dial pad? ... it's under the "Call" dropdown menu as "Show Dial pad" ** for Linux Skype users: please stay with (or downgrade to) Skype version 2.x for now (as a Dial pad seems to be missing on Linux-based Skype v4.x for skype-calls.) . == Proceedings: == . [09:53] anonymous morphed into Krzysztof Janowicz [09:54] anonymous morphed into TomTinsley [09:55] anonymous1 morphed into GiancarloGuizzardi [09:56] anonymous morphed into Alden Dima [09:57] anonymous morphed into Clare Paul [09:57] anonymous1 morphed into Genhan Chen [09:58] anonymous morphed into DaliaVaranka [09:59] anonymous1 morphed into benadams [09:59] anonymous morphed into Edwin K. Morris [10:02] anonymous morphed into Xavier Lopez [10:02] anonymous morphed into ndel2 [10:03] anonymous1 morphed into KowWengOnn [10:04] anonymous morphed into John McGrath [10:04] anonymous3 morphed into ElizabethL [10:04] anonymous morphed into Aida Gandara [10:04] anonymous3 morphed into simonqiang [10:05] anonymous2 morphed into Mark Schildhauer [10:05] anonymous1 morphed into Alex Mirzaoff, Exelis [10:05] anonymous morphed into Pat Cassidy [10:06] anonymous morphed into EvanWallace [10:07] anonymous1 morphed into Javier Garcia [10:08] anonymous2 morphed into Deborah L Nichols [10:08] Javier Garcia: I can not see the slides in Skype [10:08] Javier Garcia: I thought you were sharing the desktop [10:08] PeterYim: session started ... [10:08] Javier Garcia: Is there a way that you can provide me with a link for the slides??? [10:09] PeterYim: == KrzysztofJanowicz and PascalHitzler doing the session introduction ... [10:09] ndel2: Javier: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2012_10_11#nid3FKG 0-chair for current slides [10:09] Javier Garcia: thanks [10:10] PeterYim: @Javier - we are sharing slides if you can get into the vnc server (but those behind corporate firewalls will have to run the slides on their own desktop) [10:10] List of attendees: Aida Gandara, Alden Dima, Alex Mirzaoff, Exelis, Anne Thessen, BobbinTeegarden, Clare Paul, DaliaVaranka, Daniela, David Valentine, USCD/SDSC, Deborah L Nichols, Edwin K. Morris, ElizabethL, EvanWallace, Gary Berg-Cross, Genhan Chen, GiancarloGuizzardi, Javier Garcia, John McGrath, KowWengOnn, Krzysztof Janowicz, Marcio Faerman, Mark Schildhauer, MikeBennett, Pascal Hitzler, Pat Cassidy, PeterYim, RobertDowns, SONG GAO, SONG GAO1, Scott Hills, Scott Peckham, SimonScheider, TerryLongstreth, ToddSchneider, TomTinsley, Xavier Lopez, anonymous, anonymous1, anonymous2, anonymous3, benadams, ndel2, simonqiang, vnc2 [10:15] PeterYim: == SimonScheider presenting ... [10:18] anonymous1 morphed into ElizabethFlorescu [10:26] anonymous1 morphed into Prateek Jain [10:29] Gary Berg-Cross: @Simon Thanks! I note in passing that Theories of Mind (ToM) might be a useful intermedidate concept to support Semantic Imitation. [10:30] PeterYim: == PrateekJain presenting ... [10:32] PeterYim: we're on slide#2 now [10:32] PeterYim: moving on ... [10:35] PeterYim: we're on slide#6 now [10:36] PeterYim: moving on ... [10:42] PeterYim: we're on slide#12 now [10:42] PeterYim: we're on slide#13 now [10:43] PeterYim: we're on slide#15 now [10:44] PeterYim: moving on ... [10:46] PeterYim: == BenAdams presenting ... [10:47] anonymous1 morphed into Max Gillmore [11:01] SimonScheider: Thank you Gary for the hint;) [11:07] PeterYim: == GiancarloGuizzardi presenting ... [11:13] Gary Berg-Cross: These presentations are rich enough that it might take another session to understand the related ideas between them and the implications. So I hope the speakers & organizers will have a chance to do some of that relating and projecting. [11:16] Edwin K. Morris: Encode and decode are relative to the human interface. So the challenge is during encode process to create a deeper level of meaning/labels/objects existing beyond just language base? This would make machine comprehension and decoding much disambiguated... [11:18] PeterYim: @Edwin - is your encode/decode comment in reference to SimonScheider's earlier presentation? [11:18] Edwin K. Morris: Peter - yes sorry for delay-- [11:19] PeterYim: @Gary - good thinking ... since we have two more sessions coming up (after today's session) in this mini-series, it would be useful to identify specifics, the chairs of the two upcoming sessions (also online here) can incorporate some of that material into their upcoming sessions [11:20] Krzysztof Janowicz: @Peter: Yes, good idea [11:21] ToddSchneider: Peter, you slide numbering is one less that those that can be downloaded. [11:22] PeterYim: ALL: it would be useful if you include a bit of context on your posts (think of some person reading your entry 3 months or 5 years from now, and help him/her make sense of your entry) [11:22] ToddSchneider: Peter, forget my last message. VNC is not updating (for me). [11:23] PeterYim: @Todd - I believe you are referring to SimonScheider's slide deck, right? ... he started slide #1 (which we would usually call slide 2) after the covering slide [11:24] PeterYim: @Todd - when in doubt, there is a "refresh" button on the vnc client (which would help you make sure you are in sync) [11:29] PeterYim: == open Q&A and discussion ... [11:30] anonymous1 morphed into Cyber-ShARE [11:32] Gary Berg-Cross: Giancarlo is there a publication that lists the Ontologies Analyzed such as the Ontology from the Biodiversity Domain? [11:32] GiancarloGuizzardi: @Gary: the current report was published in the following paper: [11:33] GiancarloGuizzardi: SALES, T.P., BARCELOS, P.P.F., GUIZZARDI, G.: Identification of Semantic Anti-Patterns in Ontology-Driven Conceptual Modeling via Visual Simulation, 4th International Workshop on Ontology-Driven Information Systems (ODISE 2012), Graz, Austria, 2012 (together with the 7th International Conference on Formal Ontology in Information Systems FOIS 2012). [11:33] anonymous2 morphed into BillNadal [11:33] List of attendees: Aida Gandara, Alden Dima, Alex Mirzaoff, Exelis, Anne Thessen, BillNadal, BobbinTeegarden, Clare Paul, Cyber-ShARE, DaliaVaranka, Daniela, David Valentine, USCD/SDSC, Deborah L Nichols, Edwin K. Morris, ElizabethFlorescu, ElizabethL, EvanWallace, FrankOlken, Gary Berg-Cross, Genhan Chen, GiancarloGuizzardi, Javier Garcia, John McGrath, KowWengOnn, Krzysztof Janowicz, Marcio Faerman, Mark Schildhauer, Max Gillmore, MikeBennett, Pascal Hitzler, Pat Cassidy, PatCassidy, PeterYim, Prateek Jain, RobertDowns, SONG GAO, SONG GAO1, Scott Hills, Scott Peckham, SimonScheider, TerryLongstreth, ToddSchneider, TomTinsley, Xavier Lopez, Yingjie Hu, anonymous, anonymous1, anonymous2, anonymous3, benadams, ndel2, simonqiang, vnc2 [11:34] anonymous2 morphed into John Sowa [11:45] Gary Berg-Cross: I'm wondering if Ben sees the similarity work he discussed as being able to address/support the ontology matching that Prateek discussed. [11:48] Mark Schildhauer: Relative to Todd's question, I think some work by Guarino&Welty (Ontoclean) and Barry Smith et al. (BFO) are attempting to come up with basic formalisms for developing ontologies for use in the semantic web. [11:49] MikeBennett: Seems to me that a good place to start on Edwin's question is the Peircean semiotic triangle. Perhaps there is scope for some king of feedback loop per Scheider which fine tunes the effectiveness of the signification part of the triangle? Just a wild thought. [11:50] Edwin K. Morris: Thank you [11:50] Pascal Hitzler: Question for Prateek: Do you see a way to modify your approach so that it can generate multiple (different) alignments, each corresponding to a different perspective or context? [11:51] Mark Schildhauer: (oops-- I meant Edwin's question as well, not Todd) [11:53] SimonScheider: Thank you Mike, I think this is definitely related [11:54] Prateek Jain: Yes! Something which is related to stuff which I have been doing here.. it involves using the instances which come together [11:54] Edwin K. Morris: Voice dropped [11:55] ToddSchneider: Edwin, NCOIC has attempted to address the issue you raised. See https://www.ncoic.org/technology/deliverables/scope/. In the context of systems development many times the need to represent the systems context is not recognized. But another aspect of the problem is that the use of a system may change over time. In which case the original context may no longer be valid. [11:55] Edwin K. Morris: Todd thank you [11:57] ToddSchneider: My VOIP has dropped out. Sorry. [11:57] Marcio Faerman: Clusters are Simon's slide 9 [11:57] Pascal Hitzler: Todd you want to get back into the speakers queue? [11:59] Edwin K. Morris: Dynamic semantic ontology that is expandable and scalable then? I think that works... [11:59] ToddSchneider: Edwin, another aspect of representing 'context' is the recognition that it has to be represented. Then the problems become how much is enough and what mechanism(s) to use. Of course it doesn't help that the notion of context is itself not well understood. [12:00] Edwin K. Morris: Thank you-- [12:00] benadams: Thanks everyone [12:00] SimonScheider: thank you [12:01] Scott Hills: Thanks very much to the co-chairs and speakers [12:01] Gary Berg-Cross: FYI Spatial Ontology Community of Practice (SOCoP.org) is organizing a free, hands on workshop to be held at the USGS National facility Nov 29-30 in Reston VA. There is limited attendance organizing around 3 -4 Work Groups made up of domain experts, group facilitators and people with semantic/ontological experience. Among the topics of groups being formed is one of topographic mapping & hydrology concepts. This is a USGS effort to develop "ontologies useful in multifarious applications, such as environmental modeling and EarthCube. Another topic is a more abstract one on spatial regions as a type of containment schema that involve behavior associated with an inside, an outside, a contained entity, and possibly a boundary There is a potentially related group models the concept of Site as in EPA site or the geo-region of a bird nesting site or with a school site, a wetland regions, a place identified as a marsh or a catchment area. We may also have a group working on an expansion of a Semantic Trajectory ontology pattern to cover data for migrations and shipping. I am still recruiting a few people to serve as facilitators and modelers. If you are or know of some someone with CMAP and TTL syntax experience that would be a great addition to our groups. Several of us have participated in VoCamps to develop simple ontologies with the most recent at Santa Barbara and Dayton having developed ontology patterns for Movement, Path, and Semantic Trajectory. Inquiries to Gary Berg-Cross (SOCoP Secretary) gbergcross [at] gmail.com [12:02] Pascal Hitzler: thanks everybody :) [12:02] Mark Schildhauer: Dalia and I (Mark Schildhauer) are organizing the Nov. 1 overview of "state of earth science ontologies" so if you have any suggestions about who to invite to this, let us know (schild [at] nceas.ucsb.edu). [12:02] PeterYim: great session ... thanks everyone! [12:03] PeterYim: -- session ended 12:01pm PDT -- [12:04] List of attendees: Aida Gandara, Alden Dima, Alex Mirzaoff, Exelis, Anne Thessen, BillNadal, BobbinTeegarden, Clare Paul, Cyber-ShARE, DaliaVaranka, Daniela, David Valentine, USCD/SDSC, Deborah L Nichols, Edwin K. Morris, ElizabethFlorescu, ElizabethL, EvanWallace, FrankOlken, Gary Berg-Cross, Genhan Chen, GiancarloGuizzardi, Javier Garcia, John McGrath, John Sowa, KowWengOnn, Krzysztof Janowicz, Marcio Faerman, Mark Schildhauer, Max Gillmore, MikeBennett, Pascal Hitzler, Pat Cassidy, PatCassidy, PeterYim, Prateek Jain, RobertDowns, SONG GAO, SONG GAO1, Scott Hills, Scott Peckham, SimonScheider, TerryLongstreth, ToddSchneider, TomTinsley, Xavier Lopez, Yingjie Hu, benadams, ndel2, simonqiang, vnc2 ---------