ppy/EarthCube-Ontolog_chat-transcript_unedited_20120621a.txt = EarthCube-Ontolog Mini-series Planning Session - Thu 2012.06.21 = --------- Chat transcript from room: ontolog_20120621 2012-06-21 GMT-08:00 --------- [09:30] PeterYim: PeterYim: Welcome to the = Planning a mini-series at the Ontolog Forum on EarthCube related topics = Date/Time: Thu 2012.06.21 - starting 12:30pm EDT / 9:30am PDT Duration: a 1.0 to1.5-hour telecon Dial-in: Phone (US): +1 (206) 402-0100 ... PIN: 141184# Skype: joinconference ... PIN: 141184# (for Skype users: the Skype Dial pad can be found under the "Call" dropdown menu as "Show Dial pad") session page: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2012_06_21 Attendees: LeoObrst (co-chair), KrishnaSinha (co-chair), GaryBergCross, PascalHitzler, KrzysztofJanowiczwicz, NaicongLi, DaliaVaranka & PeterYim (scribe). Regrets: NancyWiegand, MikeDean, MarkSchildhauer == Proceedings: == [09:31] anonymous morphed into Pascal [09:35] anonymous morphed into Naicong Li [09:37] anonymous morphed into Jano [09:40] Gary Berg-Cross: For the record, I proposed a mini series in email to Peter. [09:46] Gary Berg-Cross: I would go beyond Krishna 2 areas or say that they can be addressed within a series that includes a discussion of issues such as methodologies that would provide benefits. Pascal and Jano's recent posting addresses some of the issues. [09:46] Pascal: Let me ask some simple questions - sorry for not being on the page. What does ontolog usually do? What are the people usually reached through ontolog? [09:48] Gary Berg-Cross: I think that we should have a mini series (4-5 sessions) like you did for semantic wiki from Nov 2011 to March 2012. [09:50] krishna: Krishna: Semantics should make it very easy to share data so that downstream activities are easy to implement [09:50] Gary Berg-Cross: One thing that raised this idea was what we captured in the "manifesto" - enough EC people mis=unerstand what semantics is, that we need time to explicate it and this takes more time than the Charrette allowed. [09:51] Pascal: So for a joint activity, the key question to ask first is, perhaps, what is the target group? [09:51] Pascal: Perhaps EarthCubers who are looking for further insights into semantic technologies? [09:51] Pascal: So we would be looking at a set of tutorials? [09:53] Gary Berg-Cross: An example of what we didn't have adequate time to discuss at the Charrettee were such things as what it takes to develop an adequate voc for a domain science. We could have a 2 hour virtual session on this, perhaps a panel of 2-3 people giving examples of their work followed by discussion. [09:55] Gary Berg-Cross: Pascal see something like http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2009_03_05 as an example. [09:56] Naicong Li: One of the EarthCube intiatives is to facilitate sharing resources such data, models and tools. Ontologies can help address the need of resource organization, discovery and access, interoperability among the resources This could be one of the themes in the mini series. [09:57] PeterYim: @Pascal & All - ONTOLOG in one slide - see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/presentation/ONTOLOG-intro--PeterYim-LeoObrst-KurtConrad_Oct-2008.pdf [09:57] Gary Berg-Cross: We might combine Naicong's suggestion with an interoperability topic. [09:58] Pascal: thanks a lot, I'm getting a picture now. I have no idea how I missed this so far :) Apologies for holding up the discussion ... [10:00] Gary Berg-Cross: Two goals I would suggest for the series is to clarify the issues and help formulate early steps to help manage overall risk. [10:01] krishna: how much of watsons capability was semantically enabled? [10:01] Gary Berg-Cross: Another goal that I was thinking of was to EXPAND the community of semantic researchers/ontologists that participate in the EC discussion. [10:01] Pascal: concerning "geo-watson" - we discussed this in http://knoesis.wright.edu/faculty/pascal/pub/DEKE.pdf [10:01] Pascal: The Digital Earth as Knowledge Engine. Krzysztof Janowicz, Pascal Hitzler Semantic Web journal. To appear. [10:05] Jano: I agree that Geo-Watson is an analogy [10:05] Jano: There are good reasons not to use it [10:06] Gary Berg-Cross: Geo-watson is OK for some big vision, but I prefer balancing it with a firm base that would afford progress towards the vision. [10:06] Pascal: the danger of using the phrase "geo-watson" is that it may hype expectations [10:06] Jano: we should use the term knowledge engine, not watson [10:07] Gary Berg-Cross: For starting we need to consider use cases and maybe a Geo-Watson gets folded into that session. [10:11] Jano: (we also talk here about a geo-watson: http://geog.ucsb.edu/~jano/RESTfulSOS.pdf in 2011) [10:12] Gary Berg-Cross: I would contrast the general use of speech recognition, which we can leverage, with ED vocabulary development such as assisted by text mining...Need the voc first...concentrate there. [10:21] krishna: identify semantic capabilities for geoscientists [10:22] Jano: WE have exactly this [10:23] Jano: http://earthcube.ning.com/profiles/blogs/semantics-and-ontologies-in-earthcube [10:28] Pascal: The "Elevator Talk" post: http://earthcube.ning.com/group/semantics-and-ontologies/forum/topics/key-ingredients-for-your-next-semantics-elevator-talk?xg_source=activity - see also http://knoesis.wright.edu/faculty/pascal/pub/elevator12.pdf for direct link [10:29] Pascal: Agree with Krzysztof: A first session about the value proposition makes a lot of sense. [10:29] Pascal: Perhaps follow-up could then discuss how to "get there" - i.e. towards a *technical* roadmap. [10:32] Jano: yes [10:38] Jano: First session August 9th, 2012 on the value proposition of semantics for the EarthCube community (highlighting the immediate added value without technical detail or technical language) [10:39] PeterYim: [decision] the 8 of us at this call, plus NancyWiegand, MikeDean and MarkSchildhauer, will form the organizing committee for this upcoming mini-series [10:40] PeterYim: Peter to start a mailing list, and a mini-series "home page" on the wiki for this effort [10:40] PeterYim: we will continue the planning work on the mailing list and wiki [10:41] PeterYim: -- session ended: 10:38am PDT -- ---------