ppy/chat-transcript_unedited_20120510a.txt ------------- Chat transcript from room: summit_20120510 2012-05-10 GMT-08:00 ------------- [09:17] PeterYim: Welcome to the = Joint DATA.GOV-ONTOLOG "Big Open Data" Session - Thu 2012-05-10 = Session Topic: "Fostering 'Big Open Data' in government through Open Collaboration - invited presentation on NYCFacets and introduction to New York City's 'Open' initiatives" Session Co-chair: JeanneHolm (Data.gov / NASA-JPL) & PeterYim (Ontolog / CIM3) Panel Briefings: * ChrisMusialek (Data.gov / GSA) - "Empowering City Developers with Federal Data" * AndrewNicklin (New York City) - "Opening up municipal government data: past, present, and future" * JoelNatividad (Ontodia) - "Smart Cities and Big Open Data" Session page: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2012_05_10 Mute control: *7 to un-mute ... *6 to mute Can't find Skype Dial pad? ... it's under the "Call" dropdown menu as "Show Dial pad" . == Proceedings: == . [08:27] anonymous morphed into EdDodds [09:20] PeterYim: Attention ALL: because of time constraints from some of our panelists, we will have to start promptly today. ... therefore if you have any logistics questions, please be ready to ask them as soon as you get online, and before we mute everyone![09:20] anonymous morphed into Andrew Nicklin [09:24] PeterYim: Hi Andrew! [09:25] anonymous morphed into JoelNatividad [09:25] PeterYim: Hi Joel! [09:25] PeterYim: Hi Terry ... and everyone! [09:26] anonymous morphed into jgabriel [09:26] jgabriel: Hi everyone! [09:26] JoelNatividad: Howdy everyone! [09:29] anonymous morphed into DeirdreLee [09:29] anonymous1 morphed into Hasan Sayani [09:29] anonymous morphed into Jeanne Holm [09:29] anonymous morphed into concordia [09:30] anonymous1 morphed into Sami Baig [09:30] concordia: hey all [09:30] Jesse Wang: Hi, all! Good morning, afternoon, evening! [09:32] Sami Baig: Hi all [09:33] anonymous morphed into chrismusialek [09:33] anonymous morphed into TomTinsley [09:34] anonymous1 morphed into EdDodds [09:35] anonymous1 morphed into sdupd_glenn [09:36] JackPark: Hi [09:36] PeterYim: == JeanneHolm presenting the intro slides now ... [09:39] anonymous morphed into Bob lojek [09:40] PeterYim: == ChrisMusialek presenting ... [09:41] Jeanne Holm: Chris Musialek is now presenting Empowering City Developers with Federal Data. Slides can be downloaded at the session page (above) [09:47] Jesse Wang: what is the search engine used in data.gov? did you develop your own text/query analyzer/parser? [09:47] JackRing: Has Data.gov calibrated the false positives and false negatives achieved with keywords? [09:49] anonymous morphed into DeniseWarzel [09:53] DeirdreLee: Latest W3C Editor's draft of Data Catalog Vocabulary (dcat) (managed by W3C Government Linked Data (GLD) WG): http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/dcat/index.html [09:56] anonymous1 morphed into Mark Dixon [09:56] PeterYim: slide#8 now [09:57] Andrew Nicklin: Hi all! (@PeterYim, I'm on the call now) [09:57] PeterYim: @AndreweNicklin - fantastic! [09:59] Andrew Nicklin: Will data.gov look at third-party API key & rate management tools instead of rolling your own? [09:59] PeterYim: @AndrewNicklin - note that you will need to do a *7 to un-mute yourself (everyone is on mute now) [10:01] PeterYim: == AndrewNicklin presenting ... [10:03] anonymous1 morphed into ElizabethFlorescu [10:26] PeterYim: == JoelNatividad presenting ... [10:26] JackRing: What will be the relevance of Ward Cunningham's expedition into Federating wiki's? [10:27] Andrew Nicklin: The site I mentioned for NYC open data standards is http://www.nyc.gov/datastandards [10:28] Jeanne Holm: Andrew--Data.gov is definitely looking at third-party API tools and any emergent standards in this area. The intent is that we are a connector amongst a set of data of national interest, even beyond just the federal government. [10:29] Jeanne Holm: Jack--we are using Bing as the search engine as part of USA.gov's search capability. I'll have to check on the false positive and false negative calibration. [10:31] JackRing: Jeanne, Pls do clarify the FP-FN results because both are likely to be dismal. [10:31] Jeanne Holm: Jesse--one of the things we all want to improve on Data.gov is the search capability. It's currently limited by both the complexity of the queries you can build, as well as the fact that it only searches the metadata of the data tool or dataset. We are moving toward a federated model that would allow us to search the metadata or other attributes of the tools and data sources that are made accessible. [10:31] Jeanne Holm: Jack--completely agree. Just need to verify what's been done. [10:32] EdDodds2: I saw a story about crowdfunding movies this a.m. (passer.by) and it got me thinking: are there any crowdfunded open data efforts anybody has heard of? Any fellowships sponsored by foundations? [10:33] Jeanne Holm: Ed--like a Kickstarter for open data? Interesting... [10:36] anonymous: i like this idea and would be happy to point our students to such a call. I would also be willing to help sell such a message (from Deborah McGuinness at rpi) [10:37] anonymous morphed into Deborah McGuinness [10:39] EdDodds2: Yes, I've seen a few stories proposing crowdfunding for investigative reporting recently--haven't seen if they were actually successful [10:39] JackPark: @Jeanne, re federation: I will be giving a talk at a bigdata meetup with these slides http://www.slideshare.net/jackpark/big-datasciencemeetup-final [10:44] Jeanne Holm: Jack--Very interesting presentation. Is the meeting open for others to attend? [10:45] JackRing: Jeanne, when you are ready to escape the limits of key words and rapidly assay data with respect to large, complex, interconnected cominatorial networks I will be happy to offer some insights. Long buried in highly classified systems but now patented in soon to be implemented in a chip equivalent to 3,600 microprocessors on a grid. [10:46] JackPark: @Jeanne, afik it's sold out but contact me jackpark[at]topicquests.org http://www.meetup.com/Big-Data-Science/events/51766642/ [10:47] Jeanne Holm: Thanks Jack. [10:48] Jeanne Holm: Are there any questions for the speakers? We are about to go to question and answer... [10:49] PeterYim: when we start, we will ask people to click on their "hand" buttons (lower right) ... and queue folks up for Q&A and remarks ... amke sure you test your voices first, and start by telling us who you are. [10:50] DeirdreLee: I have to head now, but thanks for lots of interesting presentations [10:51] Jeanne Holm: Thanks Deirdre! [10:51] LeoObrst: Thanks all, must leave. [10:51] PeterYim: == open Q&A and discussion now ... [10:52] anonymous morphed into PavithraKenjie [10:53] JackRing: Jack Park, I think your slides evidence great work. Thank you. Pls consider joining us at the Symposium in July at San Jose, particularly the Sunday workshop. http://isss.org/world/index.php [10:53] Jeanne Holm: Peter Yim: Presentations were fantastic. Congratulations to federal people who started movement in opening up government data, and to NY developers for providing open data, and to Joel and everyone who provided technology in helping Joel's app stand out from the crowd. [10:55] Jeanne Holm: Peter Yim: Next week's discussion will focus on the technical details of implementing some of these solutions. [10:55] JackRing: Is anyone concerned with cybersecurity/privacy? [10:55] sdupd_glenn: We'd love to see some case studies of municipal opendata in order to pitch to management the benefits of a public-facing GIS system coupled with ERP data (merged visually with other public data) [10:56] sdupd_glenn: a lot of our staff understands the potential of all this, but are unable to articulate its benefit to the higher ups who control the purse [10:57] PeterYim: @sdupd_glenn - would you morph into your real name ("Settings" button at top center) so we know who to credit the contribution to, please [10:57] Jeanne Holm: Are challenges a good way to get developers to focus on and consume government data? Are there better ways? [10:57] sdupd_glenn: For the private sector, yes. [10:58] Jeanne Holm: Joel responded: The first time we submitted to a challenge was just to do something with our partners. The second time was really to accomplish something. It wasn't about the money, but the recognition and ability to build something useful was what drew us. [10:58] sdupd_glenn: For public agencies, the challenge is how to incentivize the action of making data public in the first place [10:58] Andrew Nicklin: JackRing: there are two aspects to our approach to security. First is not letting out sensitive info (comparatively easy); Second is - potentially - evaluating whether our data, when combined with outside information poses more risks. [10:58] MikeBennett: I have to go now - thanks for great presentations [10:58] Jeanne Holm: Thanks Mike! [11:00] JackPark: @JackRing I would love to attend isss but it's just not in the budget; my friend Judith Rosen is giving a tutorial I'd really like to attend. Your workshop, if it's open, I'll try to attend. Many thanks [11:01] EdDodds2: It might be that the start up weekend or hackathon model of drawing everyone together geographically for 48 hours (though I much prefer virtual innovation clusters such as Ontolog) might be a tactic, especially if you could find sponsorships from firms who are likely to consume the data, add their own and make a profit. [11:03] EdDodds2: Nonprofits, community foundations, united way types also stand to benefit and could have skin in the game [11:03] JoelNatividad: And to Ed's point, that is what we want to do at Ontodia. We want to collaborate Open Data with all kinds of databases, both public and private. [11:04] JoelNatividad: And do what Bloomberg did for Finance data, and do it for Open Data. [11:04] Jeanne Holm: Ed--The hackathon model is good, but as you point out it's really important to have a business model that brings those ideas to a sustainable service. [11:06] anonymous1: In regards to competitions concerning opengov-- Chicago recently held a contest to encourage app development and recieved a toyal of 60 submissions. Chicago's he open data portal stats include: 328 datasets 470,000+ embeds 1000 + user views 50+ apps [11:06] Andrew Nicklin: @Jean, Ed: in terms of sustainability, we've also (informally, unofficially) considered tiering access to our services such that the costs of operating open data platform can be recovered from high-volume commercial users. [11:07] TerryLongstreth: @Jean - I agree that sustainability needs to be considered. Moreover, data ages quickly, and there's little in today's talks about maintaining data qualilty and timeliness [11:09] JoelNatividad: @Terry, in NYCFacets, that's why we derived "extrametadata" to characterize and score each dataset [11:10] Andrew Nicklin: @Terry that's why automation is really important. [11:10] EdDodds2: @Jeanne, all: strenuously agree. Caveat: just because something *should* be valuable doesn't mean the market has "eyes to see" at the time a product is launched [11:10] JoelNatividad: we score it along freshness, sparseness, uniqueness, no of downloads, views, etc. [11:10] JoelNatividad: and we plan to make the scoring algorithm transparent and not opaque [11:11] JoelNatividad: so publishers can respond [11:11] JoelNatividad: and in the future, we do plan to do time series as well [11:11] JoelNatividad: but not yet ;) [11:13] EdDodds2: Toronto's @buzzdata tries to socialize static data sets (streams too maybe?) marketing, newsgathering, conferences, higher education all could benefit; but I think until we get a mass of aggregated micropayments for data feeds the challenge to fund will continue [11:14] JoelNatividad: @Terry, we're actively tracking the wikidata effort and will sync up with that [11:14] PeterYim: @anonymous1 - who was it that provided the info about Chicago? [11:14] JoelNatividad: so "facts" and unstructured freeform text are separated [11:15] JackPark: Great conference. Many thanks to the speakers.! [11:15] Kingsley Idehen (kidehen)1: Please upload the slides to slideshare etc.. [11:16] Jeanne Holm: @Kingsley the slides are at http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2012_05_10 for today's call. [11:17] sdupd_glenn: Can I please suggest that someone or agency put together a series of webinars for agencies that know opendata is crucial but cannot get C-suite or management approval to get an opendata program started in the first place (all of us local municipalities and districts)! [11:17] JackPark: A thought: having slides up at slideshare means they can be viewed without downloading. [11:17] sdupd_glenn: slideshare, yes please [11:18] PeterYim: thank you all, great session! [11:18] sdupd_glenn: we local municipalities feel like we get to applaud the state and federal efforts but have no funding or champions to help us get off the ground. We can't participate without your help! [11:18] JoelNatividad: Thanks everyone! Special mention to Peter for all the great work to make this possible! [11:18] Sami Baig: Thank you all! [11:18] EdDodds2: There may be a few up at http://www.slideshare.net/eddodds/ already ;-) [11:18] Kingsley Idehen (kidehen)1: @Jeanne Holm: I've seen the presentations, but just suggesting slideshare for broader audience etc.. :-) [11:18] Jeanne Holm: @sdupd_glenn I'm happy to help out with providing discussions on the value of open data to cities and municipalities. Part of Cities.Data.gov (coming soon!) will be to do that as well. Feel free to reach out to me at jholm@jpl.nasa.gov [11:19] PeterYim: come back, same time next week, when we will cover the technical aspects of the same subject next Thursdau (May-17) [11:19] PeterYim: -- session ended: 11:18am PDT -- [11:19] JoelNatividad: We will upload the nycfacets overview to slideshare as well [11:19] EdDodds2: + 1 Kingsley [11:21] anonymous morphed into lisa h [11:24] sdupd_glenn: Jeanne Holm: Great I'd love to discuss with your team. We've been in touch with you already via Barbara Moreno ---------------