OOR/ConferenceCall 2013 07 02

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	[06:43] Welcome to the    (3V3O)
	 = OpenOntologyRepository: Metadata Workshop-VIII - Tue 2013_07_02 =    (3V3P)
	* Topic: OOR Metadata Workshop-VIII: Metadata in Ontology Mapping - II    (3V3Q)
	* Session Co-chairs: MichaelGruninger (U of Toronto) & MikeBennett (EDM Council)    (3V3R)
	* Agenda:    (3V3S)
	  The plan for today's session is to have MikeBennett give an overview of FIBO 
	  in terms of its various possible modules, and MichaelGruninger will follow 
	  and present an attempt to capture these relationships using ontology metadata.
	  We will then have a discussion/workshop focusing on metadata for OOR.    (3V3T)
	  This effort, hopefully, will get us a step closer to the team consensus 
	  from our 18-Jun-2013 OOR-Strategy meeting that we will focused on 
	  developing three things (hopefully within the next 3 months)- namely, 
	  (i) the set of metadata, (ii) the API, and (iii) some shared thoughts on the 
	  UI across different nodes/instances of the OOR network of ontology repositories.    (3V3U)
	* Session page: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2013_07_02    (3V3V)
	* Mute control: *7 to un-mute ... *6 to mute (please make sure your own phone is not muted as well)    (3V3W)
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	Attendees: MichaelGruninger (co-chair), MikeBennett (co-chair), AliHashemi, AmandaVizedom (on chat 
	only), BobSmith, DavidEddy, KenBaclawski, PeterYim (scribe), ToddSchneider, LamarHenderson.    (3V3Y)
	 == Proceedings ==    (3V5B)
	[7:02] PeterYim: == Co-chairs MichaelGruninger and MikeBennett starts the session ...    (3V40)
	[7:03] anonymous morphed into AliHashemi    (3V41)
	[7:07] anonymous morphed into DavidEddy    (3V42)
	[7:07] PeterYim: on the call now, are: AliHashemi, BobSmith, DavidEddy, LamarHenderson, 
	MichaelGruninger, MikeBennett, PeterYim & ToddSchneider    (3V43)
	[7:09] ToddSchneider: [ ref. Mike's slide#4 ] Mike, How should we interpret 'use case neutral'?    (3V44)
	[7:36] MikeBennett: @Todd by use case neutral I mean that as an industry standard, it is not a model 
	designed to support a single use case, but needs to provide for current and future use cases.    (3V45)
	[7:16] PeterYim: AmandaVizedom joined (a little earlier)    (3V46)
	[7:16] AmandaVizedom: (I'm not on the call yet - technical difficulties -- be there soon)    (3V47)
	[7:19] PeterYim: Tx, Amanda    (3V48)
	[7:25] AmandaVizedom: Apologies, technical difficulties not resolving. I will have to listen to 
	recording later.    (3V49)
	[7:28] PeterYim: [ ref. MikeBennett's slide#9 ] the OMG Specification Metadata (SM) Vocabulary (owl 
	file) is at - http://www.omg.org/techprocess/ab/20130301/SpecificationMetadata.owl    (3V4A)
	[7:32] PeterYim: for information about CTS2 -vs- OMV see proceedings of the "OOR-Metadata 
	Workshop-V" at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2012_01_17    (3V4B)
	[7:38] PeterYim: @Mike - how does the OMG's Specification Metadata (SM) Vocabulary relate to the 
	Common Terminology Services 2 (CTS2) by HL7 & OMG    (3V4C)
	[7:43] PeterYim: @MikeBennett - is there some work at OMG that documents a comparison between their 
	Specification Metadata (SM) Vocabulary to the NeOn Ontology Metadata Vocabulary (OMV)    (3V4D)
	[7:43] MikeBennett: @Peter I don't know - Elisa Kendall would be the person to ask (I was hoping she 
	could join us today)    (3V4E)
	[7:44] MikeBennett: @Peter I also don't know how SM relates to HL7 etc.    (3V4F)
	[7:44] PeterYim: Thanks, Mike    (3V4G)
	[7:39] MikeBennett: Other considerations: in referencing between kinds of model generally, there are 
	separate dimensions to consider: model relationship to what is modeled (real things v digital 
	resources); formal grounding of model elements (FOL versus Object Orientation for example); and 
	model abstraction levels. Not sure how much of that is relevant to OOR but it's a consideration in 
	models alignment generally I think.    (3V4H)
	[7:40] MikeBennett: Other considerations: we used some basic upper ontology partitions based on 
	JohnSowa, which have been removed in the OMG submission but are still important. Can we make better 
	reference to other upper ontology partitions, especially those in DOLCE. Also can we make better use 
	of published work on mereology etc. in place of some of our more provisional patterns.    (3V4I)
	[7:41] MikeBennett: Use of DOL - we would like to know more about that.    (3V4J)
	[7:47] MikeBennett: The REA ontology is published in UML form at present. We have however done some 
	extensive remodelling of this using OWL axioms, with reference to the more abstract partitions in 
	FIBO.    (3V4K)
	[7:48] MikeBennett: (we need to finalize that work with BillMcCarthy - I think we are ready to 
	publish but he needs to vet it first).    (3V4L)
	[7:50] ToddSchneider: Michael, w.r.t. the OOR design/implementation, one 'use' of the metadata is to 
	communicate actions (e.g., queries) and perhaps directly drive the UI.    (3V4M)
	[8:02] MichaelGruninger: Rather than adopt a single ontology metadata ontology, OOR should be 
	flexible enough to use the multiple metadata ontologies that are available. Of course, we will need 
	to ensure that these ontologies are mutually consistent, and we will need to understand their 
	relationships    (3V4N)
	[7:53] MichaelGruninger: [Action Item] Detailed study of the relationships between the ontology 
	metadata ontologies (OMV, OMG SM, CTS2)    (3V4O)
	[7:57] MichaelGruninger: [Action Item] Detailed analysis of FIBO Annotation Vocabulary    (3V4P)
	[7:58] MikeBennett: [Action item] understand the implications of how e.g. FIBO re-framed DC terms as 
	OWL Annotation Properties and instances thereof (annotation facts).    (3V4Q)
	[8:00] ToddSchneider: Have to go. Thank you. Cheers.    (3V4R)
	[8:09] PeterYim: @MikeBennett and All - can we get "other ontologies" that you would want FIBO to 
	work with onto a OOR instance, so that they are all "logically" in one place (which is OOR's core 
	value proposition) that would be nice - more tangibly, could we get (a) the REA ontology, (b) the 
	OMG Date Time Vocabulary, and (c) others you can think of, into (i) the OOR-sandbox, and (ii) 
	Ontohub ... and then we start working out what metadata, what value-added services, will be most 
	helpful    (3V4S)
	[8:09] AliHashemi: I've got to run. Thanks!    (3V4T)
	[8:10] MichaelGruninger: The Common Logic axiomatization of OMG Date Time Vocabulary is already in 
	COLORE    (3V4U)
	[8:11] MikeBennett: Great!    (3V4V)
	[8:12] MichaelGruninger: [Action Item] Upload FIBO Foundations into OntoHub    (3V4W)
	[8:13] MikeBennett: 26 Aug version is the one to upload for FIBO-Foundations    (3V4X)
	[8:13] MikeBennett: but we can upload what's there right now, if we like, as a sandbox    (3V4Y)
	[8:14] PeterYim: @Mike & Michael - since we are still experimenting, can be upload, in parallel to 
	Ontohub, OOR-sandbox, COLORE, etc. whichever is appropriate    (3V4Z)
	[8:14] MikeBennett: I would like to see if we can work more closely with the COLORE effort going 
	forward.    (3V50)
	[8:15] MikeBennett: There is an ongoing conversation at OMG about URIs. This covers both versioning, 
	and a new idea from HaroldSolbrig about a URI fragment for "real things", as an OMG recommendations.    (3V51)
	[8:20] DavidEddy: Versioning, change control is absolutely critical. The work of keeping these 
	various tools will never be maintained manually. The process of keeping ontology/vocabulary/semantic 
	information MUST be woven into the normal work process. Extra work will not happen.    (3V52)
	[8:21] DavidEddy: It appears versioning is way early, so don't spend time working about it. There 
	are dozens of versioning tools. Just make sure you keep the door open for versioning to happen.    (3V53)
	[8:31] PeterYim: session plan confirmed - Thu 2013.07.18 OntologyBasedStandards mini-series planning 
	session - co-chairs: MichaelGruninger (cfmd) & ElisaKendall (tbc)    (3V54)
	[8:34] PeterYim: we will plan out possible events for 7/23 & 7/30 in the next OOR meeting (Jul-9)    (3V55)
	[8:33] PeterYim: [consensus] the OOR team will take August-2013 off ... (like the Ontolog community) 
	no OOR events/meetings will be scheduled during that month    (3V56)
	[8:33] LamarHenderson: Will slides be posted?    (3V57)
	[8:37] PeterYim: @LamarHenderson - today's slides are already available at: 
	http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2013_07_02#nid3UYT    (3V58)
	[8:35] PeterYim: very productive session ... thanks!    (3V59)
	[8:35] PeterYim: -- session ended: 8:34am PDT --    (3V5A)
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