ConferenceCall 2005 12 01

[ontolog] Member Conference Call - Thu 2005-12-01    (I7M)

Conference Call Details    (I7N)

• Subject: [ontolog] member conference call Thu 2005-12-01    (I7O)

• Agenda Comments:    (I7P)
  • ... build rapport; ... sync up; ... distribute, assign or arbitrate virtual ownership of tasks; ... and use it to deal with emergencies. ... plus, member suggested agenda items.    (I7Q)
  • In particular, we will be devoting a portion of this call to work out technical discussion topics for the next few months; especially, one that is potentially a joint session on an "Upper Ontology" panel.    (I7R)
  • please post any suggested agenda items to the call wiki page and upload any material to be shared to the list, to the wiki or by WebDAV upload prior to the meeting    (I7S)
  • VNC session (if needed) will be started 5 minutes before the call at: http://vnc2.cim3.net:5800/    (I7T)
    • view-only password: "ontolog"    (I7U)
    • view-and-control pw: to be supplied during session as needed    (I7V)
  • Wiki page for this call (i.e. this page) is at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2005_12_01    (I7W)
• Date: Thursday, Dec. 1, 2005    (I7X)
• Start Time: 10:30 AM PST / 1:30 PM EST / 18:30 UTC World Clock    (I7Y)
• Expected Call Duration: 1 ~ 1.5 hour    (I7Z)
• Dial-in Number: 1-702-851-3330 (Las Vegas, Nevada)    (I80)
• Participant Access Code: "686564#"    (I81)

Attendees    (I82)

• Attended:    (I83)
  • PeterYim    (IAX)
  • KurtConrad    (IBL)
  • RexBrooks    (IBP)
  • AdamPease    (IB1)
  • BobSmith    (IBQ)
  • LeoObrst    (IB9)
  • BillMcCarthy    (IBR)
  • PatCassidy    (IBS)
  • DuaneNickull    (IB3)
  • DagobertSoergel    (IB8)
  • MonicaMartin    (IB2)
  • DavidWhitten    (IBZ)
  • SteveRay    (IB0)

• Expecting:    (I84)
  • ...(add your name here)...''    (I85)

• Regrets:    (I86)
  • BillAndersen (in Europe on vacation)    (IB6)
  • BarrySmith    (IB4)
  • MarkGreaves    (IB5)
  • EMichaelMaximilien    (IB7)
  • BrandNiemann (conflict with DRM Pilot meeting)    (IBA)

Agenda Ideas    (I87)

• ...(add suggested items here)...    (I88)

Agenda & Proceedings    (I89)

1) Welcome & confirmation of agenda    (I8A)

• KurtConrad took the chair and welcomed everyone.    (I8B)

2) Appointment of secretary to take minutes    (I8C)

• PeterYim volunteered    (I8D)

3) Roll-call of participants    (I8E)

• see above    (I8F)

4) Upcoming meeting & event schedule (near future)    (I8G)

• Reference: Nominal meeting types (on a monthly basis):    (I8H)
  • member regular meeting    (I8I)
  • invited speaker session    (I8J)
  • scheduled discussion    (I8K)
  • project review    (I8L)
  • workshop / work session    (I8M)
  • planning    (I8N)

• Scheduled Ontolog Events    (I8O)
  • Thu Dec. 8, 2005 - JimSpohrer - "Services Science, Management, and Engineering (SSME)" - see: ConferenceCall_2005_12_08 - confirmed (PeterYim & EMichaelMaximilien)    (I8P)
  • Thu Dec. 15, 2005 discussion - Moderator: DuaneNickull & KurtConrad - subject: "Ontology Applications and Implementations" - see: ConferenceCall_2005_12_15/Prep    (I8Q)
  • Thu Jan. 12, 2006 - LeoObrst - "What is an ontology? - A Briefing on the Range of Semantic Models" - confirmed (PeterYim)    (I8R)
  • Thu Feb. 9, 2006 - AsumanDogac - "Exploiting ebXML Registry Semantics in the eHealth Domain" - confirmed (MonicaMartin)    (I8S)

• Invited Speaker Schedule for the next 3~6 months    (I8T)
  • Candidate -    (I8U)
    • NicolaGuarino on DOLCE, possibly also BillAndersen or ChrisWelty (suggested by PeterYim & PatCassidy)    (I8V)
    • SimonBuckinghamShum of the Compendium Institute ( ? ; ref. post from ScottLHolmes & PeterYim's reponse)    (I8W)
    • LarryReeker of NIST (suggested by SusanTurnbull)    (I8X)
    • John Sowa (suggested by BillMcCarthy)    (I8Y)
  • other suggestions:    (I8Z)
    • Monica: suggest inviting someone from the [regrep] group    (I90)
    • Rex suggsted we should also invite UDDI and XMDR people, and possibly to have all three parties (regrep, uddi & xmdr) on a panel    (I91)
    • Peter also suggested that we should invite Dieter Fensel to talk to us some time    (I92)
    • Rex / Peter: XMDR - BruceBargmeyer or someone from his XMDR team    (I93)
    • PeterYim / ElisaKendall: PatHayes, DeborahMcGuinness    (I94)
    • To be brought up for discussion:    (I95)
      • ChrisMenzel: BillAndersen    (I96)
      • BrandNiemann / MarkMusen / PeterYim: Frank Hartel (NIH/NCI)    (I97)
      • BrandNiemann / PeterYim: RoyRoebuck    (I98)
      • DuaneNickull: suggesting candidates from Microsoft - Phil Berstein & Sergey Melnik - ref: http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum//ontolog-forum/2005-08/msg00027.html    (I99)
      • DuaneNickull: EricMiller, Tim Berners-Lee of W3C    (I9A)
      • ChrisMenzel & PeterYim: ChrisMenzel some time early 2006 - on some of the work he is doing at Boeing)    (I9B)
      • PeterBrown & PeterYim (new!): PeterBrown some time early 2006 - on the EU project that PeterBrown has been working on in Austria: of building an "eGovernment Resources Network" - the issues relating to handling the exchange of reference information about eGovernment services across the continent - in many languages. This could serve as an interesting case study of what we are looking for from so-called "semantic web services".    (I9C)
      • BrandNiemann (new! input/2005.10.15): EricPeterson - who's been working on an OWL version of the FEA-DRM and who will lead the COSMO development subgroup in the newly formed SICoP / ONTAC-WG    (I9D)
      • MillsDavis (new! / 2005.11.26) - Conor Shankey (CEO, Visual Knowledge)    (I9E)
      • PeterYim (new! / 2005.11.28) - AdamCheyer, SRI, on the CALO project    (I9F)
      • PeterYim (new! Prompted by Doug Lenat's talk) - MikeGenesereth (director of the Stanford Logic Group)    (I9G)
      • suggest we also try to invite candidate speakers to join us at weekly calls and other ontolog events so that they get more familiar with the community and vice versa    (I9H)

• Scheduled Discussions for the next 2 months - candidates:    (I9I)
  • a panel with speaker representing: SUMO, OpenCyc Upper Ontology, DOLCE, ... (suggested by PeterYim/2005.01.20) -- to be discussed in more detail today below    (I9J)
    • possibly teaming up with SICoP and their ONTAC-WG/COSMO-WG    (I9K)
  • Rex: possibility of working with Duane on a follow-up to the last SOA discussion    (I9L)
  • Rex suggested we should also invite UDDI and XMDR people, and possibly to have all three parties (regrep, uddi & xmdr) on a panel    (I9M)
  • Adam: need OWL & SWRL for OWL ontologies to really be useful    (I9N)
  • NicolasRouquette -- other topics lined up?    (I9O)
  • Other candidates:    (I9P)
    • Rex: propose "Emergency Response"    (I9Q)
    • Kurt: we should revisit "CCTS ontology" for Nov. (even Sep.) - we'll talk to Duane again if he shows up next week; if he doesn't Kurt, will ping Duane.    (I9R)
    • Anders: we should have a "Tools / Testing" discussion    (I9S)
    • Kurt: "on metamodels, independent of the representation" (at a level that allows us to avoid the language war)    (I9T)
      • Bob: as a segway into things like pi-calculus, tec.    (I9U)
    • PeterYim: "moving from data standards to data-model- and semantic-model-driven eBusiness standards"    (I9V)
      • candidate panelists: BruceBargmeyer, MarkCrawford, ElisaKendall, AdamPease, MikeDaconta, JimHendler, SteveRay (moderator?)    (I9W)
      • maybe a joint SICoP-Ontolog event, as part of another Collaborative Expedition Workshop?    (I9X)

• Upcoming Events of interest    (I9Y)
  • SusanTurnbull's CEW#46 - Tue 2005.12.06 at NSF (Ballston, VA) & via Remote Access - see: ColabWiki:ExpeditionWorkshop/AdvancingInformationSharingAndDataArchitecture_2005_12_06    (I9Z)

5) Communications, logistics, & work protocols issues    (IA0)

6) Follow-ups from previous calls    (IA1)

• Bob and Nicolas will work on the ontological lessons learned in our exercise on RegularConferenceCall scheduling -- (Bob / Nicolas - please bring closure to this item)    (IA2)

• session with UN/CEFACT on CCTS 3.0 recommendations    (IA3)
  • Kurt: called CCTS / Mary Kay-Blantz on Nov. 11, 2005    (IBT)
    • we see our input as a starting point for discussion (not an immediate actionable change request)    (IBU)
    • they prefer a F2F discussion rather than a phone conference    (IBV)
    • are interested to have us present at their Conference on Mar. 13~17, 2006 in Vancouver, Canada    (IBW)
    • would be wonderful if we can do a "What is an Ontology?" like what Leo is going to present on Jan. 12, 2006    (IBX)
      • we should invite them [attn: Kurt]    (IBY)

7) Current Project Status Report    (IA4)

• Status CCT-Representation and UBL-Ontology project work - nothing to report    (IA5)
  • Requirements issues (ref: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UseCases)    (IA6)
  • Formalization issues    (IA7)
  • UBL Liaison update    (IA8)
  • [CCT-Rep] status report    (IA9)

• Status of Protege-KIF project work    (IAA)
  • Peter & Pat working on putting this up on the SMI/CIM3 CODS server    (IBO)

• status of NHIN-RFI & Health-Ont project work    (IAB)
  • representation and paper submission to FCW Government Health IT Conference - Nov. 17~18, 2005, Washington, D.C.    (IAC)
    • Marc Wine presented on HITOP    (IC0)

• UBL liaison report - nothing to report    (IAD)

• SICoP liaison report    (IAE)
  • Brand: I would like to get ONTAC / Ontolog Forum help with the review of DRM / Section 207 d Best Practice Examples    (IBB)
    • see slide 7 for our December 6th (CEW#46) Workshop at http://web-services.gov/scopedrmit212062005.ppt    (IBC)

• NCOR relationship - pending    (IAF)

• Planning team report - nothing to report    (IAG)

8) project work session / discussion -    (IAH)

• Thu 2005.12.15 Scheduled Discussion on "Ontology Applications and Implementations" - final tuning    (IAI)

• Discussion on a Joint "Upper Ontology Panel"    (IAJ)
  • collaborators (co-organizer): Ontolog, SICOP/ONTAC/COSMO, NIST, NCOR, CYCorp, LOA, Articulate Software, ...    (IAK)
  • Action plan    (IBF)
    • an organizing committee to work offline    (IBG)
      • SteveRay, PatCassidy, PeterYim (coordinator), LeoObrst, KurtConrad, ... also, BrandNiemann (confirmed: 2005.12.07)    (IC7)
        • Peter to make a post to the forum to ask if others want to join too (e.g. GaryBergCross, BillAndersen, ... have so indicated)    (ICU)
    • precede and follow the event with a focused forum discussion on the topic? (already on [ontac-forum]? same or different discussion?)    (IBH)
  • date / time:    (IAL)
    • Steve: Mar. 13~17 2006 "Interoperability Week" at NIST (note conflict with UN/CEFACT Vancouver conference)    (IC8)
      • Steve: possibility to devote a day (or half-day) of that week to this event    (ICA)
        • decision: try to lock in for Thursday afternoon (ET) for the panel    (IC9)
        • maybe the other half day can be used by those onsite to do some real F2F work    (ICB)
        • need the sessions to be available remotely for those who will only participate virtually    (ICC)
  • candidate moderator    (IAM)
    • we all agreed that we needed someone who is neutral, moderate, and is highly respected by the community    (IBD)
    • a few of the candidates were dropped because they have a position that they wanted to represent at the event    (IE5)
    • SteveRay is elected to be the moderator for this panel    (IE6)
  • candidate panelist (and targeted participant)    (IAN)
    • AdamPease, NicolaGuarino, ChrisWelty, BillAndersen, AldoGangemi ("Descriptions and Situations" extensions of DOLCE), DougLenat, DagobertSoergel, PatCassidy, MichaelGruninger, MatthewWest (ISO15926), JohnSowa, ElisaKendall (OMG/ODM), BruceBargmeyer or NancyLawler (ISO11179), ...    (IBE)
  • goal    (IAO)
    • shall we based this event on the assumption/precept that "a common upper ontology is good"    (IBI)
    • get parties to set aside their own agenda and genuinely collaborate    (IBJ)
  • follow-up    (IAP)
  • Thoughts    (IC2)
    • Rex: need more than 2 hours    (IC3)
    • Rex: should we involve the UDEF people?    (IE7)
      • general consensus is no, since even they (UDEF folks) themselves disclaim that they are an ontology in all their recent presentations    (IE8)
    • Peter: accesible both onsite and remote    (IC4)
    • Pat / Steve: notify the press    (IC5)
    • Pat: eliminate the perception that this is a "religious" battle among the ontologists themselves    (IC6)
    • David: health ontology folks involved?    (ICH)
  • refer to subsequent preparation work for this event at the UpperOntologyPanel project page    (IE3)

• Presenting at the OASIS Symposium 2006 (9-12 May 2006, San Francisco, CA) - Proposal submission deadline: 20 December 2005    (HLS)
  • see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/2005-11/msg00010.html    (HLT)
  • Duane and Rex are submitting, requesting that they cover our (Ontolog) work as a sidebar    (IC1)

9) New project proposals    (IAQ)

10) Sponsorship and funding    (IAR)

11) Other business    (IAS)

12) Next meeting date and adjourn    (IAT)

• regular call adjourned 11:43 am PST    (IAU)
• next call will be on Thu 2005-12-08 starting at 10:30 am PST - Dr. James Spohrer of IBM will be speaking on "Services Science, Management, and Engineering (SSME)" - see: ConferenceCall_2005_12_08 ... see you there. RSVP!    (IAV)

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