ConferenceCall 2005 08 18

[ontolog] Member Conference Call - Thu 2005-08-18    (F3M)

Conference Call Details    (F3N)

• Subject: [ontolog] member conference call Thu 2005-08-18    (F3O)

• Agenda Comments:    (F3P)
  • ... build rapport; ... sync up; ... distribute, assign or arbitrate virtual ownership of tasks; ... and use it to deal with emergencies. ... plus, member suggested agenda items.    (F3Q)
  • please post any suggested agenda items to the call wiki page and upload any material to be shared to the list, to the wiki or by WebDAV upload prior to the meeting    (F3R)
  • VNC session (if needed) will be started 5 minutes before the call at: http://vnc2.cim3.net:5800/    (F3S)
    • view-only password: "ontolog"    (F3T)
    • view-and-control pw: to be supplied during session as needed    (F3U)
  • Wiki page for this call (i.e. this page) is at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2005_08_18    (F3V)
• Date: Thursday, Aug. 18, 2005    (F3W)
• Start Time: 10:30 AM PDT / 1:30 PM EDT World Clock    (F3X)
• Expected Call Duration: 1 ~ 1.5 hour    (F3Y)
• Dial-in Number: 1-702-851-3330 (Las Vegas, Nevada)    (F3Z)
• Participant Access Code: "686564#"    (F40)

Attendees    (F41)

• Attended:    (F42)
  • DuaneNickull    (F7V)
  • PeterYim    (F7B)
  • BobSmith    (F7W)
  • KurtConrad    (F7X)
  • MonicaMartin    (F7K)

• Expecting:    (F43)
  • RexBrooks (will attend if I can)    (F7E)
  • MarcWine    (F7F)
  • ...(add your name here)...    (F44)

• Regrets:    (F45)
  • BrandNiemann (meeting conflict)    (F7C)
  • SusanTurnbull (meeting conflict)    (F7D)
  • NicolasRouquette (schedule conflict)    (F7G)
  • EMichaelMaximilien    (F7H)
  • PeterBrown (on leave)    (F7I)
  • BillAndersen (on the road)    (F7J)

Agenda Ideas    (F46)

Agenda & Proceedings    (F47)

1) Welcome & confirmation of agenda    (F48)

• KurtConrad took the chair and welcomed everyone.    (F49)

2) Appointment of secretary to take minutes    (F4A)

• PeterYim volunteered    (F4B)

3) Roll-call of participants    (F4C)

• see above    (F4D)

4) Upcoming meeting & event schedule (near future)    (F4F)

• Nominal meeting types (on a monthly basis):    (F4G)
  • member regular meeting    (F4H)
  • invited speaker session    (F4I)
  • scheduled discussion    (F4J)
  • project review    (F4K)
  • workshop / work session    (F4L)
  • planning    (F4M)

• Scheduled Ontolog Events    (F8D)
  • start with this section first - Kurt: easier for the flow of the agenda    (F8E)

• Invited Speaker Schedule for the next 3~6 months    (F4N)
  • Sep. 8, 2005 - ElisaKendall - "The Model Driven Semantic Web – Emerging Technologies & Implementation Strategies" - (proposed by: BrandNiemann / PeterYim) - confirmed - see: ConferenceCall_2005_09_08    (F4O)
    • Elisa has posted the ODM spec to the session page; solicits the community's review and comment. (also: nice to browse through that prior to the 9/8/05 session.)    (F4P)
  • Sep. 23, 2005 - JonBosak - on a topic related to Community Governance and the OASIS Process (proposed by: KurtConrad / SusanTurnbull) - Joint session with Susan's Collaborative Expedition Workshop #44 at NSF - confirmed    (F4Q)
  • Oct. 13 2005 - Barry Smith - confirmed (BillMcCarthy)    (F4R)
  • Candidate Nov. 2005 session(s) and beyond -    (F4S)
    • John Sowa (suggested by BillMcCarthy)    (F4T)
    • DougLenat on the Cyc project (suggested by PeterYim)    (F4U)
    • NicolaGuarino on DOLCE, possibly also BillAndersen or ChrisWelty (suggested by PeterYim & PatCassidy)    (F4V)
    • LarryReeker of NIST (suggested by SusanTurnbull)    (F4W)
    • SimonBuckinghamShum of the Compendium Institute ( ? ; ref. post from ScottLHolmes & PeterYim's reponse)    (F4X)
    • JimSpohrer from IBM Almaden Services Research (further to the 2005.06.30 discussion)    (F4Y)
  • other suggestions:    (F4Z)
    • Monica: suggest inviting someone from the [regrep] group    (F50)
    • Rex suggsted we should also invite UDDI and XMDR people, and possibly to have all three parties (regrep, uddi & xmdr) on a panel    (F51)
    • Rex suggestion: Professor Asuman Dogac from Middle East Technical University (Ankhara, Turkey) on Healthcare Ontologies in ebXML Web Services under their Artemis Project    (F52)
      • Professor Dogac's work has also been previous recommended by BrandNiemann - see: http://colab.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ExpeditionWorkshop/TowardCoherenceInKnowledgeThroughAllThingsOntological_MakingSenseTogether_2004_12_09#nid6NZ    (F53)
    • Peter also suggested that we should invite Dieter Fensel to talk to us some time    (F54)
    • Rex / Peter: XMDR - BruceBargmeyer or someone from his XMDR team    (F55)
    • PeterYim / ElisaKendall: PatHayes, DeborahMcGuinness    (F56)
    • To be brought up for discussion today:    (F57)
      • ChrisMenzel: BillAndersen    (F58)
      • BrandNiemann / MarkMusen / PeterYim: Frank Hartel (NIH/NCI)    (F59)
      • BrandNiemann / PeterYim: RoyRoebuck    (F5A)
      • DuaneNickull: suggesting candidates from Microsoft - Phil Berstein & Sergey Melnik - ref: http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum//ontolog-forum/2005-08/msg00027.html    (F7Y)
      • DuaneNickull: EricMiller, Tim Berners-Lee of W3C    (F8A)
    • Peter: since we have such a great (and huge) list of candidates now, maybe we should put a process together to find out who are among the top speakers the community wants to hear and talk to    (F7Z)
      • suggest we also try to invite candidate speakers to join us at weekly calls and other ontolog events so that they get more familiar with the community and vice versa    (F80)

• Scheduled Discussions for the next 2 months (DavidWhitten: maybe we should designate a moderator, and then coordinate the event from there, in a fashion similar to speaker events.)    (F5B)
  • August 25, 2005 discussion session - moderator: RexBrooks - see: ConferenceCall_2005_08_25    (F5C)
    • Subject: "Healthcare Informatics Landscapes, Roadmaps, and Blueprints: Towards a Business Case Strategy for Large Scale Ontology Projects"    (F5D)
    • Panelists: BobSmith, BrandNiemann, DavidWhitten, MarcWine, MarkMusen + invited: BrettTrusko, Roy Morgan, Ram Sriram    (F5E)
  • Oct. 27 2005 discussion - Moderator: NicolasRouquette - subject: Semantic Web Service Ontology Standard - see: ConferenceCall_2005_10_27/Prep    (F5F)
  • Adam: need OWL & SWRL for OWL ontologies to really be useful    (F5G)
  • NicolasRouquette -- other topics lined up?    (F5H)
  • a panel with speaker representating: SUMO, OpenCyc Upper Ontology, DOLCE, ... (suggested by PeterYim)    (F5I)
    • possibly teaming up with SICoP and their CUO-WG; after independent sessions on Cyc and DOLCE    (F5J)
  • Rex: possibility of working with Duane on a follow-up to the last SOA discussion    (F5K)
  • Rex suggsted we should also invite UDDI and XMDR people, and possibly to have all three parties (regrep, uddi & xmdr) on a panel    (F5L)
  • we will not schedule a technical discussion in Sep. 2005    (F5M)
  • candidates for November, 2005    (F5N)
    • Rex: propose "Emergency Response"    (F5P)
    • Kurt: we should revisit "CCTS ontology" for Nov. (even Sep.) - we'll talk to Duane again if he shows up next week; if he doesn't Kurt, will ping Duane.    (F5Q)
    • Anders: we should have a "Tools / Testing" discussion    (F5R)
    • Kurt: "on metamodels, independent of the representation" (at a level that allows us to avoid the language war)    (F5S)
      • Bob: as a segway into things like pi-calculus, tec.    (F5T)
    • PeterYim: "moving from data standards to data-model- and semantic-model-driven eBusiness standards"    (F5U)
      • candidate panelists: BruceBargmeyer, MarkCrawford, ElisaKendall, AdamPease, MikeDaconta, JimHendler, SteveRay (moderator?)    (F5V)
      • maybe a joint SICoP-Ontolog event, as part of another Collaborative Expedition Workshop?    (F5W)
    • DuaneNickull: "Ontological and Semantic Implementation Panel" - some time in the future - Duane will start a page in preparation on it    (F8B)

•    (F81)
  • we had a discussion on when we should engage non-open/commercial work    (F83)
    • we should keep the community aware of the bleeding edge of the space - open or not    (F84)
    • "unsolicited" presentations of commercial technologies and products would be a no no; have to be under "invitation"    (F85)
    • need careful review and oversight; avoid conflict of interest    (F86)
    • we have to make sure we don't invite / become a free advertising space    (F87)
    • stay on research and the pre-competitive stage of the technoology, if we can    (F88)
  • for example - Adobe XMP or some of their semantic web related work would be of interest; or the big SERACH vendors    (F8C)

• Upcoming Events of interest    (F5X)
  • Sep. 14, 2005 - 2nd DRM Public Forum (Washington DC) (Susan, Brand & MikeDaconta among the organizers; Mark & Peter among presenter)    (F5Y)
  • Sep. 12~16, 2005 - UN/CEFACT Forum - (Lyon, France) (Anders, Bill, Duane)    (F5Z)
  • Sep. 23, 12005 - Collaborative Expedition Workshop #44 (at NSF) - featuring the JonBosak joint-program with Ontolog    (F60)
  • OASIS ebXML registry-repository webinar - Sep. or Oct. (Monica, Joe)    (F61)
  • National Center for Ontological Research (NCOR) Opening - Oct. 27, 2005 (Buffalo, NY) - ref: http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum//ontolog-forum/2005-08/msg00000.html    (F62)

5) Communications, logistics, & work protocols issues    (F63)

• SessionArchivesOnCD    (F75)
  • not enough demand to make the dvelopment and production of this CD or DVD worth the while (at least on the current exercise.)    (F8T)
  • however, consider other possibilities:    (F8U)
    • capturing a snapshot of this body of knowledge (for backup purposes; as an insurance to our sustainability concerns.)    (F8V)
    • distribution through other channels (IEEE, ACM, ...) that helps us promote our cause    (F8W)
    • as a media where, say, our "Journal" is delivered on (see more discussion below    (F8X)

• Transscript to discussion session    (F76)
  • any volunteer (member? your students?)    (F77)
  • any sponsor?    (F78)
  • let defer this to a planning team discussion    (F8I)

• Any idea abou the e-mail addresses for the following people    (F79)
  • RobertGarigue (Bob), JayneDutra (Nicolas)    (F7A)

6) Follow-ups from previous calls    (F64)

• post-mortem on the 2005.08.11 JimHendler: Semantic Q&A session    (F65)
  • what worked well    (F66)
    • best attended so far    (F8F)
    • extended invitation list now    (F8G)
  • what could be improved    (F67)
    • background noise - Kurt: we can mute everyone ... what it takes is for the speaker to come in with the organizer code - great!    (F8H)
  • ideas for the future    (F68)
  • other remarks    (F69)

• call/meeting to be scheduled with UN/CEFACT-CCTS WG to review Ontolog's comments [attn: DuaneNickull - ref: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2005_03_10#nid5JB]    (F6A)
  • Duane: let's put this on the back burner, and hold off until they approach us again    (F89)

• possible meeting/call to follow-up with UDEF folks to review Ontolog's comments (suggested by MikeDaconta) [attn: DuaneNickull]    (F6B)

• Bob and Nicolas will work on the ontological lessons learned in our exercise on RegularConferenceCall scheduling    (F6C)

7) Current Project Status Report    (F6D)

• Status CCT-Representation and UBL-Ontology project work    (F6E)
  • Requirements issues (ref: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UseCases)    (F6F)
  • Formalization issues    (F6G)
  • UBL Liaison update    (F6H)
  • [CCT-Rep] status report    (F6I)

• Status of Protege-KIF project work    (F6J)

• status of NHIN-RFI & Health-Ont project work    (F6K)
  • representation and paper submission to FCW Government Health IT Conference - Nov. 17~18, 2005, Washington, D.C.    (F6L)
    • see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/health-ont/2005-07/msg00001.html    (F6M)
    • deadline for abstract submission is Mon 2005.08.08    (F6N)
      • possibility of writing up the 8/25 panel discussion and make that a community submission    (F6O)
  • participation in OMG/HL7 workshop 25~27 Oct. 2005 (washington DC) - abstract deadline 2005.08.12 - see: http://www.omg.org/news/meetings/HC2005/index.htm    (F6P)

• UBL liaison report    (F6Q)

• SICoP liaison report    (F6R)

• Planning team - discussion    (F6S)
  • Kurt: maybe it is time for a "call for papers" - as another means to engage the community    (F8M)
    • let's publish a periodic journal    (F8Q)
    • the idea is: let's get people to write stuff    (F8N)
    • a first "annual call for papers"? A review panel?    (F8O)
    • Peter: idea - get a sponsor to donate some money, and award a prize for the best paper(s)    (F8P)
  • Bob - Strategic alliance    (F8R)
    • with NCOR    (F8S)
  • Synergies with other related communities - try the SEARCH at http://ontolog.cim3.net    (F8Y)
    • our wiki supports "transclusion" too - see:    (F8Z)
      • http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?SandBox#nid8A or    (F90)
      • http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2005_10_27/Prep#nidEZR    (F91)

8) project work session / discussion    (F6T)

9) New project proposals    (F6U)

10) Sponsorship and funding    (F6V)

• possibility of "packaging" our events for sponsorship    (F8J)
  • we can package up (a) the monthly speakers and (b) the discussion sessions    (F8K)

• Bob: think of going for European or other International sponsors    (F8L)

11) Other business    (F6W)

12) Next meeting date and adjourn    (F6X)

• regular call adjourned 11:20 am PDT; the planning team (Kurt, Bob and Peter) continued until 12:23pm    (F6Y)
• next call will be on Thu 2005.08.25 starting at 10:30 am PDT    (F6Z)
  • that will be the Ontolog Scheduled Discussion session on: "Healthcare Informatics Landscapes, Roadmaps, and Blueprints: Towards a Business Case Strategy for Large Scale Ontology Projects"    (F70)
  • Moderator: RexBrook    (F71)
  • Panelists: BobSmith, BrandNiemann, DavidWhitten, MarcWine, MarkMusen & pending - BrettTrusko, RoyMorgan, RamSriram.    (F72)
  • See: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2005_08_25    (F73)

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